Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue
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@bigbear said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@brrabill said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@dbeato said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@brrabill said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
You uploaded a file that was .6 MB
How is it going, I didn't even know you had a thread on this and I told you the same thing about PST
It ended up taking about 70 minutes, but it completed. Now I have to look at the file and compare folders and see if everything copied over, especially since the PST file sizes were reported as different.
Was that the test upload or the 20Gb file
The test upload.
I am checking through it now ... it seems to have worked.
I got thrown off by the stupid filter setting Outlook has ... had to go through the folders and de-select that, but it seems to have gotten them all.
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@brrabill said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@bigbear said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@brrabill said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@dbeato said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@brrabill said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
You uploaded a file that was .6 MB
How is it going, I didn't even know you had a thread on this and I told you the same thing about PST
It ended up taking about 70 minutes, but it completed. Now I have to look at the file and compare folders and see if everything copied over, especially since the PST file sizes were reported as different.
Was that the test upload or the 20Gb file
The test upload.
I am checking through it now ... it seems to have worked.
I got thrown off by the stupid filter setting Outlook has ... had to go through the folders and de-select that, but it seems to have gotten them all.
Or right click properties and check the file count and stuff?
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@jaredbusch said
Or right click properties and check the file count and stuff?
Eh? You mean folder size in properties?
I wish Outlook and OWA had a way to easily display the number of messages in a folder. MDaemon has an option to show (X/Y) for each folder where x is unread and Y is total. It makes it so much easier to compare.
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@brrabill said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@jaredbusch said
Or right click properties and check the file count and stuff?
Eh? You mean folder size in properties?
I wish Outlook and OWA had a way to easily display the number of messages in a folder. MDaemon has an option to show (X/Y) for each folder where x is unread and Y is total. It makes it so much easier to compare.
Outlook has always had this with size, if not message count. but if they match you should be good I would assume.
Compare local and server. You can have the new mailbox online only so you don't have to cache..
You can look at the properties of each folder and see the total. but that is super manual.
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@jaredbusch said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
Outlook has always had this with size, if not message count. but if they match you should be good I would assume.
They never match exactly, though, which is the issue.
You can change Outlook to display the number of items, but that is also very manual as you have to do it for every folder.
I basically randomly write down folders, and check through them. I figure if 20 out of 40 are correct, they all should be.
I think Exchange must calculate storage differently than MDaemon and the PST. Not surprising. Maybe it compresses it by default.
I've never actually administered Exchange, so don't know.
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Trying the PST import method. Honestly, it isn't much better.
Have a 3.28 GB PST upload to Office365 already. Started the import at 2:03. It is now 6 hours later and it is only 59% done. So this seems like it might even be SLOWER than the other way.
WTH, Microsoft. Why do you make it so hard to switch to your product?
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@brrabill said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
Trying the PST import method. Honestly, it isn't much better.
Have a 3.28 GB PST upload to Office365 already. Started the import at 2:03. It is now 6 hours later and it is only 59% done. So this seems like it might even be SLOWER than the other way.
WTH, Microsoft. Why do you make it so hard to switch to your product?
I am still amazed at how long it has taken you, I am not sure from what email system you are coming from but usually I do importa initially a month or 2 weeks before and then do deltas every week with the Builtin migration tool.
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@dbeato said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@brrabill said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
Trying the PST import method. Honestly, it isn't much better.
Have a 3.28 GB PST upload to Office365 already. Started the import at 2:03. It is now 6 hours later and it is only 59% done. So this seems like it might even be SLOWER than the other way.
WTH, Microsoft. Why do you make it so hard to switch to your product?
I am still amazed at how long it has taken you, I am not sure from what email system you are coming from but usually I do importa initially a month or 2 weeks before and then do deltas every week with the Builtin migration tool.
I guess my mistake is expecting it to happen it like every other file transfer would happen.
I mean, the upload of the PST to Azure went almost full ISP speed of 65 Mbps. Why the F do they import the data at .5GB an hour or less. Just makes no sense why they would want such a delay in allowing people to switch over to their system.
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@brrabill said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@dbeato said
I am not sure from what email system you are coming from
IMAP
They have a built in migration as well for that:
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@dbeato said
@bigbear said that is a disaster, and that's about the feel I got from it from reading stories online, as well.
We can argue the point all we want, but the thing is, there IS an easy way to do this. It's just the Microsoft cripples it for some reason.
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I like either the Azure method or the MigrationWiz. With the latter you can migrate ahead of time and sync up after the switch or do a dial tone migration if you don’t have the time to plan.
Azure is more work but when migration hundreds of large mailboxes it’s better than the outlook import method.
Soemthing to note, when you migrate a premise exchange server you get full speed upload automatically from MS.
Seems like with the limits raised we complete Terrabytes of mail migrations over a weekend without anyone left behind. I’ll have to pay attention next weekend on what speeds were seeing in live migration.
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They are throttling. I just went through a 100 mailbox migration and a user with a 15 GB mailbox took 3 days. I have a 150/150 Mbps dedicated fiber circuit.
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@bigbear said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
I like either the Azure method or the MigrationWiz. With the latter you can migrate ahead of time and sync up after the switch or do a dial tone migration if you don’t have the time to plan.
Azure is more work but when migration hundreds of large mailboxes it’s better than the outlook import method.
Soemthing to note, when you migrate a premise exchange server you get full speed upload automatically from MS.
Seems like with the limits raised we complete Terrabytes of mail migrations over a weekend without anyone left behind. I’ll have to pay attention next weekend on what speeds were seeing in live migration.
I was in hybrid mode and it still took a long time.
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@brrabill said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@dbeato said
@bigbear said that is a disaster, and that's about the feel I got from it from reading stories online, as well.
We can argue the point all we want, but the thing is, there IS an easy way to do this. It's just the Microsoft cripples it for some reason.
I guess, I was just trying to give more options but patience seems to be the answer.
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@wrx7m said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
They are throttling. I just went through a 100 mailbox migration and a user with a 15 GB mailbox took 3 days. I have a 150/150 Mbps dedicated fiber circuit.
Yeah this is basically what I am saying.
Plus these "higher speeds" they discuss are with concurrent users.
So that could be why. If you happen to have 100 users and they are all 5GB mailboxes you will complete over a weekend.
You have 100 users with 20GB mailboxes, you are in for a world of hurt.
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@brrabill said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@wrx7m said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
They are throttling. I just went through a 100 mailbox migration and a user with a 15 GB mailbox took 3 days. I have a 150/150 Mbps dedicated fiber circuit.
Yeah this is basically what I am saying.
Plus these "higher speeds" they discuss are with concurrent users.
So that could be why. If you happen to have 100 users and they are all 5GB mailboxes you will complete over a weekend.
You have 100 users with 20GB mailboxes, you are in for a world of hurt.
Definitely completing multiple 20Gb mailboxes over a weekend.
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@wrx7m said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@bigbear said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
I like either the Azure method or the MigrationWiz. With the latter you can migrate ahead of time and sync up after the switch or do a dial tone migration if you don’t have the time to plan.
Azure is more work but when migration hundreds of large mailboxes it’s better than the outlook import method.
Soemthing to note, when you migrate a premise exchange server you get full speed upload automatically from MS.
Seems like with the limits raised we complete Terrabytes of mail migrations over a weekend without anyone left behind. I’ll have to pay attention next weekend on what speeds were seeing in live migration.
I was in hybrid mode and it still took a long time.
I did not have that experience, have done it twice.
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@bigbear said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@wrx7m said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
@bigbear said in Potential Office365 (Exchange Online) Throttling Issue:
I like either the Azure method or the MigrationWiz. With the latter you can migrate ahead of time and sync up after the switch or do a dial tone migration if you don’t have the time to plan.
Azure is more work but when migration hundreds of large mailboxes it’s better than the outlook import method.
Soemthing to note, when you migrate a premise exchange server you get full speed upload automatically from MS.
Seems like with the limits raised we complete Terrabytes of mail migrations over a weekend without anyone left behind. I’ll have to pay attention next weekend on what speeds were seeing in live migration.
I was in hybrid mode and it still took a long time.
I did not have that experience, have done it twice.
Maybe they are throttling it more.
My next step with be the IMAP product you mentioned. We'll see where we get with that.
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BTW:
As a followup to this ... thanks to all who recommended MigrationWiz by BitTitan. Great product, works awesome (and relatively quick) ... and their support is live and incredible.
TWO BIG THUMBS UP!!!!!
Just wish I had learned about them at the beginning of this whole ordeal.
