Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?
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@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
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Or your case, I assume you didn't choose the "i" system(s) that you tough, nor that you are given the authority to rip them out. So you'd qualify as the "no choice" person there.
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@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
Or like me - think the only choice they have is to buy a pre-packaged solution designed for their industry, and it's only available on a less than great platform.
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@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff.. I did have it all explained to me by someone once, how stuff used to be AS400, then iSeries, the Power.. etc... I'm just so unfamilliar that it's easy to get mixed up. i need to draw out a timeline or something.
Why waste your time? Instead put it into getting your company to migrate to modern systems.
I've been pushing this client of mine with the 400 to something else for 10 years... they tell me they are finally ready to move to something else, and sadly, likely going to end up on something with MS SQL.
Well, yeah, actually it's coming up soon that we need to upgrade along with re-do our contracts with our banking vendor.. what system should we be using in place of a Power 720 running iSeries? We have 10+ years of customer data stored in that iSeries database.. by the way, is this DB2 for the database on iSeries? or is that the wrong thing to ask?
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@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
Or like me - think the only choice they have is to buy a pre-packaged solution designed for their industry, and it's only available on a less than great platform.
My question for Scott is - do you basically suggest that most companies should just build their own back end from scratch? or are there good open systems (software) that allow near infinite tweaking, then hiring someone to build those tweaks?
and do those tweaks cost less than buying the pre-built solutions that run on MS SQL? -
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff.. I did have it all explained to me by someone once, how stuff used to be AS400, then iSeries, the Power.. etc... I'm just so unfamilliar that it's easy to get mixed up. i need to draw out a timeline or something.
Why waste your time? Instead put it into getting your company to migrate to modern systems.
I've been pushing this client of mine with the 400 to something else for 10 years... they tell me they are finally ready to move to something else, and sadly, likely going to end up on something with MS SQL.
Well, yeah, actually it's coming up soon that we need to upgrade along with re-do our contracts with our banking vendor.. what system should we be using in place of a Power 720 running iSeries?
It's not really a lack of choice kind of thing any more. Where can you store data? Really the question is, where can't you? What isn't a choice in this situation? You can run a database anywhere, on anything. So the sky is the limit. There's no platform that you can't choose.
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@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
We have 10+ years of customer data stored in that iSeries database.. by the way, is this DB2 for the database on iSeries? or is that the wrong thing to ask?
IBM i essentially only exists to host the database. So the assumption is if you run i then you run it as a database server. It never had another intended purpose. And that database is DB2.
You can run DB2 on basically anything. Every Power compatible OS will run it. So will most OSes that run on AMD64 like Windows and Linux. I think you might be able to get it for Itanium, too.
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@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
I'd really like to think that a bank doesn't stick with i Series shit solely because of kick backs - but I suppose you'll tell me I'm wrong now.
I have to more likely situation that the cost of moving to new/different systems is mega expensive, custom code, custom exports of old data - custom new solution because no off the self solution exists to fill the needs, etc.
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@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
Or like me - think the only choice they have is to buy a pre-packaged solution designed for their industry, and it's only available on a less than great platform.
My question for Scott is - do you basically suggest that most companies should just build their own back end from scratch?
If the other option is this, yes.
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@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
I'd really like to think that a bank doesn't stick with i Series shit solely because of kick backs - but I suppose you'll tell me I'm wrong now.
It's how you'd expect it to have gotten there in the first place. Why would keeping it around be any different?
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@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I have to more likely situation that the cost of moving to new/different systems is mega expensive, custom code, custom exports of old data - custom new solution because no off the self solution exists to fill the needs, etc.
The cost of not moving is more expensive. The sooner you move, the cheaper it is. So.... sounds like something someone getting a kickback would have told you.
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Doesn't it seem impossible and fishy that banking, of all industries, would claim that they had no option but to use ancient, dead platforms and bizarrely proprietary systems? It's not really plausible. Of all industries, banking has choices.
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DB2 will even run on Sparc!
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@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
> Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
You seem to constantly be saying this, and I'm sure it's somewhat common... but knowing the people I know at my company (a very close circle of friends and family) I am very inclined to think that this is not the case -- and if anything, it's only ignorance that lead to these choices. I could be wrong though.
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@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
> Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
You seem to constantly be saying this, and I'm sure it's somewhat common...
It's one of the most common things we see in the industry. Someone taking a personal benefit in order to justify making a horrible decision for the business. I say it constantly because it is constantly what we see. Whether it is a direct financial kickback, or just getting favours of some sort.
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@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
DB2 will even run on Sparc!
BTW, is there any relation between Sparc and Sparak? Our previous system was Sparak, running on a similar looking IBM hardware system.. not sure what the details are though..
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@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
I'd really like to think that a bank doesn't stick with i Series shit solely because of kick backs - but I suppose you'll tell me I'm wrong now.
It's how you'd expect it to have gotten there in the first place. Why would keeping it around be any different?
Because I don't buy it. In the case where my customer has it.. the owner wasn't given a check for buying this - he likely called the company he bought his shit from, they said we use AS/400, so that's what he bought.
Let's assume he dropped 15K on in, do you think he could have hired a programmer to create a from scratch solution on Linux OS with free DB solution for that kind of money?Current solution is Daly & Wilcott Order Entry front-end to DMAS type solution.
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@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
but knowing the people I know at my company (a very close circle of friends and family) I am very inclined to think that this is not the case -- and if anything, it's only ignorance that lead to these choices. I could be wrong though.
That's a scenario I see this happen in a LOT. "Close friend" doesn't know what to do. Vendor offers to cover for them and do their IT job on their behalf and not let the company find out that they were in over their head. The vendor provides a way for the "friend" to keep their job and get paid. Then the "friend" fixes it so that the vendor makes a fortune selling something insanely inappropriate. The "kickback" is handled in the form of the paycheck, but the paycheck is enabled by the vendor playing along and not exposing the gap. The vendor ensures that the "friend" keeps getting money, the "friend" makes sure that the vendor makes 200% - 1,000% of the money that they should.
Incompetence really isn't an excuse. If someone doesn't know what they are doing, they should admit it. Pretending and selling the company out to the vendor to cover for them is the problem. So if you feel someone was incompetent and threw the company under the bus.... well we can discuss semantics if that is truly a kickback or another mechanism, but the result is the same.
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@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
DB2 will even run on Sparc!
BTW, is there any relation between Sparc and Sparak? Our previous system was Sparak, running on a similar looking IBM hardware system.. not sure what the details are though..
Sparc is one of the most important processor families like Power, Itanium, AMD64 and ARM. No clue what a Sparak is.
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Did a search on Sparak, nothnig came up.
