How to receive e-mail alerts from internal devices

[JaredBusch]

@tim_g said in How to receive e-mail alerts from internal devices:

So what I"m thinking, is that unless the outgoing email server is a trusted server, O365 won't allow it into it's system to be delivered to my email.

This is impossible, well not technically impossible, but would never be implemented. How are you defining trusted? SPF? See my above reply. Because what if I have no SPF record and I have internal Exchange at my Jared's Fucking Consulting Services? Are you saying that you will not receive my email?

But if i set up some outgoing email server myself, and try to send an email from [email protected] to [email protected], I believe O365 will not let it through.

I do not recall what services were tested other than Gmail, but yes, it will.

Your work domain will not because you have specifically told it to use SPF I assume.

This is a different issue than someone trying to send form a company email to a company email.

[Obsolesce]

@jaredbusch said in How to receive e-mail alerts from internal devices:

@tim_g said in How to receive e-mail alerts from internal devices:

So what I"m thinking, is that unless the outgoing email server is a trusted server, O365 won't allow it into it's system to be delivered to my email.

This is impossible, well not technically impossible, but would never be implemented. How are you defining trusted? SPF? See my above reply. Because what if I have no SPF record and I have internal Exchange at my Jared's Fucking Consulting Services? Are you saying that you will not receive my email?

But if i set up some outgoing email server myself, and try to send an email from [email protected] to [email protected], I believe O365 will not let it through.

I do not recall what services were tested other than Gmail, but yes, it will.

Your work domain will not because you have specifically told it to use SPF I assume.

This is a different issue than someone trying to send form a company email to a company email.

Okay I think I understand now.

It's different for me because I am specifically taking steps to block emails whose "from address" is not from a verified server... meaning if someone sends an email from [email protected], it will be blocked unless it actually came from a gmail.com email server?

[JaredBusch]

@tim_g said in How to receive e-mail alerts from internal devices:

@jaredbusch said in How to receive e-mail alerts from internal devices:

@tim_g said in How to receive e-mail alerts from internal devices:

So what I"m thinking, is that unless the outgoing email server is a trusted server, O365 won't allow it into it's system to be delivered to my email.

This is impossible, well not technically impossible, but would never be implemented. How are you defining trusted? SPF? See my above reply. Because what if I have no SPF record and I have internal Exchange at my Jared's Fucking Consulting Services? Are you saying that you will not receive my email?

But if i set up some outgoing email server myself, and try to send an email from [email protected] to [email protected], I believe O365 will not let it through.

I do not recall what services were tested other than Gmail, but yes, it will.

Your work domain will not because you have specifically told it to use SPF I assume.

This is a different issue than someone trying to send form a company email to a company email.

Okay I think I understand now.

It's different for me because I am specifically taking steps to block emails whose "from address" is not from a verified server... meaning if someone sends an email from [email protected], it will be blocked unless it actually came from a gmail.com email server?

Assuming that gmail.com is actually companydomain.com, yes you are correct.

[zachary715]

Yes we have our SPF record setup that if I try to send these alerts via [email protected], it will get blocked. I don't require it to be from my domain though at this time. I'm perfectly satisfied with it being from internaldomain.local just as long as I get the reports I need.

[Obsolesce]

@zachary715 said in How to receive e-mail alerts from internal devices:

Yes we have our SPF record setup that if I try to send these alerts via [email protected], it will get blocked. I don't require it to be from my domain though at this time. I'm perfectly satisfied with it being from internaldomain.local just as long as I get the reports I need.

Yeah then you won't need any authentication.

[JaredBusch]

@Tim_G I just changed my laptop's dnf-automatic setting as follows.

The server there is in my colo and is in the SPF for my company domain bundystl.com but obviously, I cannot change Gmail's SPF.

Now Google did soft check it.
But it still hit my inbox.

Here is the full header (redacted).

Delivered-To: [email protected]
Received: by 10.103.62.65 with SMTP id l62csp1114442vsa;
        Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:08:41 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELs+6VQ7n+SHAtV9m4uOLgmv8vpQF4hFx6jJTiF0/7+D9fL9bUtFWE0UcMw1/FJjmE/+6IvQ
X-Received: by 2002:a24:bcc4:: with SMTP id n187-v6mr9355606ite.26.1521731321402;
        Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:08:41 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1521731321; cv=none;
        d=google.com; s=arc-20160816;
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         C+HhTNgqQpFswivTfoXjaFUpOsfpGsvPj5DYnKeXD6pXfw7eObwGopdUKb2AV/ix+3Hw
         PzfQ==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816;
        h=message-id:to:subject:from:date:content-transfer-encoding
         :mime-version:arc-authentication-results;
        bh=q5rj1FQFBZzNVe2kH8xvcqgQOwTh8q2EHL6ugR/7+BY=;
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         jxrQ==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
       spf=softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning [email protected] does not designate 207.XXX.XXX.XXX as permitted sender) [email protected];
       dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Received: from postfix.ad.domain.com (remote.domain.com. [207.XXX.XXX.XXX])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u71-v6si5370770ita.89.2018.03.22.08.08.41
        for <[email protected]>
        (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
        Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:08:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning [email protected] does not designate 207.XXX.XXX.XXX as permitted sender) client-ip=207.XXX.XXX.XXX;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
       spf=softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning [email protected] does not designate 207.XXX.XXX.XXX as permitted sender) [email protected];
       dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com
Received: from lt-jared.jaredbusch.com (unknown [10.254.103.22]) by postfix.ad.domain.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB72BC0C7991 for <[email protected]>; Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:08:39 -0500 (CDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:08:39 -0000
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Subject: Updates applied on 'lt-jared.jaredbusch.com'.
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[JaredBusch]

I should have turned off the actual apply of the updates. then I could have reran it with various email settings.

[Obsolesce]

@jaredbusch

Yes, this is exactly what I was talking about:

Which can be seen here:

I wasn't aware Google/MS allow that kind of thing through, but at least it's warning you.

This is why I use the O365 relay, to make the emails "official or legit".

[JaredBusch]

@tim_g said in How to receive e-mail alerts from internal devices:

@jaredbusch

Yes, this is exactly what I was talking about:

Which can be seen here:

I wasn't aware Google/MS allow that kind of thing through, but at least it's warning you.

This is why I use the O365 relay, to make the emails "official or legit".

Right, normally, I had my laptop sending from bundystl.com to bundystl.com and it is in the SPF. So always legit. Still not authenticated, but I do have the IP in as a connector in O365.

[Obsolesce]

@jaredbusch said in How to receive e-mail alerts from internal devices:

but I do have the IP in as a connector in O365

Right, this is what I meant earlier as needing to happen to "allow it".

[zachary715]

Do you guys go beyond the SPF records and also implement DKIM or DMARC? I've looked into these briefly but not much. DKIM looks fairly straightforward with Office 365.

[Obsolesce]

@zachary715 said in How to receive e-mail alerts from internal devices:

Do you guys go beyond the SPF records and also implement DKIM or DMARC? I've looked into these briefly but not much. DKIM looks fairly straightforward with Office 365.

Looked into DKIM a little, but not implemented it (yet).

[JaredBusch]

@zachary715 said in How to receive e-mail alerts from internal devices:

Do you guys go beyond the SPF records and also implement DKIM or DMARC? I've looked into these briefly but not much. DKIM looks fairly straightforward with Office 365.

I've checked them both. I will not implement DKIM anytime soon. It adds little on top of SPF.

DMARC is a layer on top of SPF and/or DKIM you cannot use DMARC without one of the other in place.

All DMARC does is tell the recipient system what to do with a message that fails the SPF/DKIM check. Instead of letting the recipient system decide what to do about it.