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      wirestyle22
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      We have a client who wants VoIP but is maxing out their download capabilities due to streaming internet video. My co-worker wants to setup VLAN 1 for VoIP and VLAN 2 for everything else. VLAN 1 would be plugged into Port 1 on the Firewall, VLAN 2 would be plugged into Port 2 on the firewall. Then, from the firewall he wants to limit the amount of bandwidth VLAN 1 (everything but voip) can use in order to assure the customer that their phones will be functional.

      I'm hoping there is a better way to limit them without needing to use VLAN's. This customer will not purchase any new hardware short of the phones themselves.

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        momurda @wirestyle22
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        @wirestyle22 Firewall should be able to limit bandwidth on a port easily. What is the firewall?

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          Dashrender @momurda
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          @momurda said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

          @wirestyle22 Firewall should be able to limit bandwidth on a port easily. What is the firewall?

          The inbound port?

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            wirestyle22 @Dashrender
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            @momurda said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

            @wirestyle22 Firewall should be able to limit bandwidth on a port easily. What is the firewall?

            Differentiating between devices would require manual configuration of mac addresses? My co-worker doesn't like "doing things manually" whatever that means. He likes to make things easier for himself.

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              Dashrender @wirestyle22
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              @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

              We have a client who wants VoIP but is maxing out their download capabilities due to streaming internet video. My co-worker wants to setup VLAN 1 for VoIP and VLAN 2 for everything else. VLAN 1 would be plugged into Port 1 on the Firewall, VLAN 2 would be plugged into Port 2 on the firewall. Then, from the firewall he wants to limit the amount of bandwidth VLAN 1 (everything but voip) can use in order to assure the customer that their phones will be functional.

              I'm hoping there is a better way to limit them without needing to use VLAN's. This customer will not purchase any new hardware short of the phones themselves.

              Not sure this is possible. The incoming traffic will come from whatever random source as fast as that source can send it. You have no control.

              What I don't know is - if you limit connections like youtube to say 1 Mb total allowed, will that keep youtube from flooding your inbound pipe?

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                wirestyle22 @Dashrender
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                @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                We have a client who wants VoIP but is maxing out their download capabilities due to streaming internet video. My co-worker wants to setup VLAN 1 for VoIP and VLAN 2 for everything else. VLAN 1 would be plugged into Port 1 on the Firewall, VLAN 2 would be plugged into Port 2 on the firewall. Then, from the firewall he wants to limit the amount of bandwidth VLAN 1 (everything but voip) can use in order to assure the customer that their phones will be functional.

                I'm hoping there is a better way to limit them without needing to use VLAN's. This customer will not purchase any new hardware short of the phones themselves.

                Not sure this is possible. The incoming traffic will come from whatever random source as fast as that source can send it. You have no control.

                What I don't know is - if you limit connections like youtube to say 1 Mb total allowed, will that keep youtube from flooding your inbound pipe?

                My co-worker is saying it can, but I don't believe anything he says which is why I'm asking. Reminds me of QoS which is entirely within the LAN

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                  Dashrender @wirestyle22
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                  @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                  @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                  @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                  We have a client who wants VoIP but is maxing out their download capabilities due to streaming internet video. My co-worker wants to setup VLAN 1 for VoIP and VLAN 2 for everything else. VLAN 1 would be plugged into Port 1 on the Firewall, VLAN 2 would be plugged into Port 2 on the firewall. Then, from the firewall he wants to limit the amount of bandwidth VLAN 1 (everything but voip) can use in order to assure the customer that their phones will be functional.

                  I'm hoping there is a better way to limit them without needing to use VLAN's. This customer will not purchase any new hardware short of the phones themselves.

                  Not sure this is possible. The incoming traffic will come from whatever random source as fast as that source can send it. You have no control.

                  What I don't know is - if you limit connections like youtube to say 1 Mb total allowed, will that keep youtube from flooding your inbound pipe?

                  My co-worker is saying it can, but I don't believe anything he says which is why I'm asking. Reminds me of QoS which is entirely within the LAN

                  If he's saying it can, then that means he knows how to do it, right?

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                    wirestyle22 @Dashrender
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                    @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                    @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                    @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                    @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                    We have a client who wants VoIP but is maxing out their download capabilities due to streaming internet video. My co-worker wants to setup VLAN 1 for VoIP and VLAN 2 for everything else. VLAN 1 would be plugged into Port 1 on the Firewall, VLAN 2 would be plugged into Port 2 on the firewall. Then, from the firewall he wants to limit the amount of bandwidth VLAN 1 (everything but voip) can use in order to assure the customer that their phones will be functional.

                    I'm hoping there is a better way to limit them without needing to use VLAN's. This customer will not purchase any new hardware short of the phones themselves.

                    Not sure this is possible. The incoming traffic will come from whatever random source as fast as that source can send it. You have no control.

                    What I don't know is - if you limit connections like youtube to say 1 Mb total allowed, will that keep youtube from flooding your inbound pipe?

                    My co-worker is saying it can, but I don't believe anything he says which is why I'm asking. Reminds me of QoS which is entirely within the LAN

                    If he's saying it can, then that means he knows how to do it, right?

                    He asked me what the best way to achieve this would be, but I have no idea what he's talking about. You can manage the 1 KB request to YouTube, but not the resulting download AFAIK

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                      Dashrender @wirestyle22
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                      @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                      @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                      @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                      @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                      @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                      We have a client who wants VoIP but is maxing out their download capabilities due to streaming internet video. My co-worker wants to setup VLAN 1 for VoIP and VLAN 2 for everything else. VLAN 1 would be plugged into Port 1 on the Firewall, VLAN 2 would be plugged into Port 2 on the firewall. Then, from the firewall he wants to limit the amount of bandwidth VLAN 1 (everything but voip) can use in order to assure the customer that their phones will be functional.

                      I'm hoping there is a better way to limit them without needing to use VLAN's. This customer will not purchase any new hardware short of the phones themselves.

                      Not sure this is possible. The incoming traffic will come from whatever random source as fast as that source can send it. You have no control.

                      What I don't know is - if you limit connections like youtube to say 1 Mb total allowed, will that keep youtube from flooding your inbound pipe?

                      My co-worker is saying it can, but I don't believe anything he says which is why I'm asking. Reminds me of QoS which is entirely within the LAN

                      If he's saying it can, then that means he knows how to do it, right?

                      He asked me what the best way to achieve this would be, but I have no idea what he's talking about. You can manage the 1 KB request to YouTube, but not the resulting download AFAIK

                      Well, I think you can affect the download, but only once it reaches the firewall. Limit inbound from youtube to say 1 Mbps, but still at the start Youtube could flood you with 10 Mbps and the firewall would have packets stacking up, but I do believe that some form of return traffic to youtube must tell them to slow down/reduce quality (aka fewer packets or smaller ones) so things don't stack up..

                      but you'd likely have to manage that for every site on the internet.

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                        Dashrender
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                        Of course, once Scott sees this thread, he's going to tell us the real of the situation..

                        Or JB will find it and tell me what an idiot I am. 😛

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                          wirestyle22 @Dashrender
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                          @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                          @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                          @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                          @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                          @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                          @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                          We have a client who wants VoIP but is maxing out their download capabilities due to streaming internet video. My co-worker wants to setup VLAN 1 for VoIP and VLAN 2 for everything else. VLAN 1 would be plugged into Port 1 on the Firewall, VLAN 2 would be plugged into Port 2 on the firewall. Then, from the firewall he wants to limit the amount of bandwidth VLAN 1 (everything but voip) can use in order to assure the customer that their phones will be functional.

                          I'm hoping there is a better way to limit them without needing to use VLAN's. This customer will not purchase any new hardware short of the phones themselves.

                          Not sure this is possible. The incoming traffic will come from whatever random source as fast as that source can send it. You have no control.

                          What I don't know is - if you limit connections like youtube to say 1 Mb total allowed, will that keep youtube from flooding your inbound pipe?

                          My co-worker is saying it can, but I don't believe anything he says which is why I'm asking. Reminds me of QoS which is entirely within the LAN

                          If he's saying it can, then that means he knows how to do it, right?

                          He asked me what the best way to achieve this would be, but I have no idea what he's talking about. You can manage the 1 KB request to YouTube, but not the resulting download AFAIK

                          Well, I think you can affect the download, but only once it reaches the firewall. Limit inbound from youtube to say 1 Mbps, but still at the start Youtube could flood you with 10 Mbps and the firewall would have packets stacking up, but I do believe that some form of return traffic to youtube must tell them to slow down/reduce quality (aka fewer packets or smaller ones) so things don't stack up..

                          but you'd likely have to manage that for every site on the internet.

                          Yeah he's asking per device, not per website. He says it's possible but I've never seen it so I really don't know

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                            wirestyle22
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                            I think Watchguard Firewalls have the ability to define maximum bandwidth as a rule, but I have not played with it enough to know how it functions and I was thinking that is only for the LAN itself.

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                              Dashrender @wirestyle22
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                              @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                              @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                              @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                              @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                              @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                              @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                              @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                              We have a client who wants VoIP but is maxing out their download capabilities due to streaming internet video. My co-worker wants to setup VLAN 1 for VoIP and VLAN 2 for everything else. VLAN 1 would be plugged into Port 1 on the Firewall, VLAN 2 would be plugged into Port 2 on the firewall. Then, from the firewall he wants to limit the amount of bandwidth VLAN 1 (everything but voip) can use in order to assure the customer that their phones will be functional.

                              I'm hoping there is a better way to limit them without needing to use VLAN's. This customer will not purchase any new hardware short of the phones themselves.

                              Not sure this is possible. The incoming traffic will come from whatever random source as fast as that source can send it. You have no control.

                              What I don't know is - if you limit connections like youtube to say 1 Mb total allowed, will that keep youtube from flooding your inbound pipe?

                              My co-worker is saying it can, but I don't believe anything he says which is why I'm asking. Reminds me of QoS which is entirely within the LAN

                              If he's saying it can, then that means he knows how to do it, right?

                              He asked me what the best way to achieve this would be, but I have no idea what he's talking about. You can manage the 1 KB request to YouTube, but not the resulting download AFAIK

                              Well, I think you can affect the download, but only once it reaches the firewall. Limit inbound from youtube to say 1 Mbps, but still at the start Youtube could flood you with 10 Mbps and the firewall would have packets stacking up, but I do believe that some form of return traffic to youtube must tell them to slow down/reduce quality (aka fewer packets or smaller ones) so things don't stack up..

                              but you'd likely have to manage that for every site on the internet.

                              Yeah he's asking per device, not per website. He says it's possible but I've never seen it so I really don't know

                              oh, well that's different. Sure, if your firewall supports it.. you can limited the bandwidth a specific internal device gets. but again, only to the point where the firewall controls it.

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                                wirestyle22 @Dashrender
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                                @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                                @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                                @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                                @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                                @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                                @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                                @dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                                @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                                We have a client who wants VoIP but is maxing out their download capabilities due to streaming internet video. My co-worker wants to setup VLAN 1 for VoIP and VLAN 2 for everything else. VLAN 1 would be plugged into Port 1 on the Firewall, VLAN 2 would be plugged into Port 2 on the firewall. Then, from the firewall he wants to limit the amount of bandwidth VLAN 1 (everything but voip) can use in order to assure the customer that their phones will be functional.

                                I'm hoping there is a better way to limit them without needing to use VLAN's. This customer will not purchase any new hardware short of the phones themselves.

                                Not sure this is possible. The incoming traffic will come from whatever random source as fast as that source can send it. You have no control.

                                What I don't know is - if you limit connections like youtube to say 1 Mb total allowed, will that keep youtube from flooding your inbound pipe?

                                My co-worker is saying it can, but I don't believe anything he says which is why I'm asking. Reminds me of QoS which is entirely within the LAN

                                If he's saying it can, then that means he knows how to do it, right?

                                He asked me what the best way to achieve this would be, but I have no idea what he's talking about. You can manage the 1 KB request to YouTube, but not the resulting download AFAIK

                                Well, I think you can affect the download, but only once it reaches the firewall. Limit inbound from youtube to say 1 Mbps, but still at the start Youtube could flood you with 10 Mbps and the firewall would have packets stacking up, but I do believe that some form of return traffic to youtube must tell them to slow down/reduce quality (aka fewer packets or smaller ones) so things don't stack up..

                                but you'd likely have to manage that for every site on the internet.

                                Yeah he's asking per device, not per website. He says it's possible but I've never seen it so I really don't know

                                oh, well that's different. Sure, if your firewall supports it.. you can limited the bandwidth a specific internal device gets. but again, only to the point where the firewall controls it.

                                Meaning the LAN

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                                  Dashrender @wirestyle22
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                                  @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

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                                  @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

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                                  We have a client who wants VoIP but is maxing out their download capabilities due to streaming internet video. My co-worker wants to setup VLAN 1 for VoIP and VLAN 2 for everything else. VLAN 1 would be plugged into Port 1 on the Firewall, VLAN 2 would be plugged into Port 2 on the firewall. Then, from the firewall he wants to limit the amount of bandwidth VLAN 1 (everything but voip) can use in order to assure the customer that their phones will be functional.

                                  I'm hoping there is a better way to limit them without needing to use VLAN's. This customer will not purchase any new hardware short of the phones themselves.

                                  Not sure this is possible. The incoming traffic will come from whatever random source as fast as that source can send it. You have no control.

                                  What I don't know is - if you limit connections like youtube to say 1 Mb total allowed, will that keep youtube from flooding your inbound pipe?

                                  My co-worker is saying it can, but I don't believe anything he says which is why I'm asking. Reminds me of QoS which is entirely within the LAN

                                  If he's saying it can, then that means he knows how to do it, right?

                                  He asked me what the best way to achieve this would be, but I have no idea what he's talking about. You can manage the 1 KB request to YouTube, but not the resulting download AFAIK

                                  Well, I think you can affect the download, but only once it reaches the firewall. Limit inbound from youtube to say 1 Mbps, but still at the start Youtube could flood you with 10 Mbps and the firewall would have packets stacking up, but I do believe that some form of return traffic to youtube must tell them to slow down/reduce quality (aka fewer packets or smaller ones) so things don't stack up..

                                  but you'd likely have to manage that for every site on the internet.

                                  Yeah he's asking per device, not per website. He says it's possible but I've never seen it so I really don't know

                                  oh, well that's different. Sure, if your firewall supports it.. you can limited the bandwidth a specific internal device gets. but again, only to the point where the firewall controls it.

                                  meaning the LAN

                                  Of course - but as my youtube example above shows.. it would likely cause the sending server to slow down the send.

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                                    wirestyle22 @Dashrender
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                                    We have a client who wants VoIP but is maxing out their download capabilities due to streaming internet video. My co-worker wants to setup VLAN 1 for VoIP and VLAN 2 for everything else. VLAN 1 would be plugged into Port 1 on the Firewall, VLAN 2 would be plugged into Port 2 on the firewall. Then, from the firewall he wants to limit the amount of bandwidth VLAN 1 (everything but voip) can use in order to assure the customer that their phones will be functional.

                                    I'm hoping there is a better way to limit them without needing to use VLAN's. This customer will not purchase any new hardware short of the phones themselves.

                                    Not sure this is possible. The incoming traffic will come from whatever random source as fast as that source can send it. You have no control.

                                    What I don't know is - if you limit connections like youtube to say 1 Mb total allowed, will that keep youtube from flooding your inbound pipe?

                                    My co-worker is saying it can, but I don't believe anything he says which is why I'm asking. Reminds me of QoS which is entirely within the LAN

                                    If he's saying it can, then that means he knows how to do it, right?

                                    He asked me what the best way to achieve this would be, but I have no idea what he's talking about. You can manage the 1 KB request to YouTube, but not the resulting download AFAIK

                                    Well, I think you can affect the download, but only once it reaches the firewall. Limit inbound from youtube to say 1 Mbps, but still at the start Youtube could flood you with 10 Mbps and the firewall would have packets stacking up, but I do believe that some form of return traffic to youtube must tell them to slow down/reduce quality (aka fewer packets or smaller ones) so things don't stack up..

                                    but you'd likely have to manage that for every site on the internet.

                                    Yeah he's asking per device, not per website. He says it's possible but I've never seen it so I really don't know

                                    oh, well that's different. Sure, if your firewall supports it.. you can limited the bandwidth a specific internal device gets. but again, only to the point where the firewall controls it.

                                    meaning the LAN

                                    Of course - but as my youtube example above shows.. it would likely cause the sending server to slow down the send.

                                    Right. I don't really get it but I don't know a lot about this stuff so I was hoping maybe it was just my misunderstanding

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                                      momurda
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                                      The hell are you guys talking about?
                                      You dont want an interface using all the available bandwidth, limit its bandwidth to a value less than the available bandwidth. This takes a few seconds to do on a Watchguard. Limit your bandwidth on vlan2 interface to 10Mb/s or slower. Then have no limit on the voip interface.

                                      Network bandwidth is like a chain, it will only go as fast the slowest link. If you have a limit of 10mb/s on an interface somewhere, no device/connection from external content to internal device in that chain will be more than 10mb/s.

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                                        wirestyle22 @momurda
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                                        @momurda said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                                        The hell are you guys talking about?
                                        You dont want an interface using all the available bandwidth, limit its bandwidth to a value less than the available bandwidth. This takes a few seconds to do on a Watchguard. Limit your bandwidth on vlan2 interface to 10Mb/s or slower. Then have no limit on the voip interface.

                                        Network bandwidth is like a chain, it will only go as fast the slowest link. If you have a limit of 10mb/s on an interface somewhere, no device/connection from external content to internal device in that chain will be more than 10mb/s.

                                        That's the best way to limit it? You have to use VLANs? That's what I'm asking

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                                          scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                                          Then, from the firewall he wants to limit the amount of bandwidth VLAN 1 (everything but voip) can use in order to assure the customer that their phones will be functional.

                                          You never do this, ever. It makes no sense and serves no purpose.

                                          Youtube Video

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                                            wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                                            @wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):

                                            Then, from the firewall he wants to limit the amount of bandwidth VLAN 1 (everything but voip) can use in order to assure the customer that their phones will be functional.

                                            You never do this, ever. It makes no sense and serves no purpose.

                                            Youtube Video

                                            How do you solve this issue then when we can't purchase more bandwidth and we can't purchase new hardware?

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