Copying Content from other sources
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@tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:
Here's some good additional info... the content may not even be eligible for copyright in the first place:
https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/public-domain/welcome/
Yes, that's why we had mentioned questions, answers, and facts. Those things generally aren't eligible for copyright in the first place. It depends, if someone posts an article, a story, or something of that nature it is normally covered. But if someone is asking a question or answering a question or just providing supporting evidence, it's not copyrightable in the first place.
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@scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:
@tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:
Here's some good additional info... the content may not even be eligible for copyright in the first place:
https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/public-domain/welcome/
Yes, that's why we had mentioned questions, answers, and facts. Those things generally aren't eligible for copyright in the first place. It depends, if someone posts an article, a story, or something of that nature it is normally covered. But if someone is asking a question or answering a question or just providing supporting evidence, it's not copyrightable in the first place.
I don't recall anyone posting any copyrighted material in a SW post, then someone copying it to here. Even if that was ever the case, still, it'd fall under "Fair use".
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Maybe the question is not if we are allowed to but if we should do it.
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@tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:
@scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:
@tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:
Here's some good additional info... the content may not even be eligible for copyright in the first place:
https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/public-domain/welcome/
Yes, that's why we had mentioned questions, answers, and facts. Those things generally aren't eligible for copyright in the first place. It depends, if someone posts an article, a story, or something of that nature it is normally covered. But if someone is asking a question or answering a question or just providing supporting evidence, it's not copyrightable in the first place.
I don't recall anyone posting any copyrighted material in a SW post, then someone copying it to here. Even if that was ever the case, still, it'd fall under "Fair use".
Nope, not aware of that ever happening.
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@thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:
Maybe the question is not if we are allowed to but if we should do it.
Well, that's a bigger question. And it goes both ways. To some, it seems like talking about technical content from somewhere else is bad. But most people seem to think that it is good.
What's the condition that quoting and discussing technical stuff is bad? Especially given that the need to do so is that other forums for open discussion are not available?
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Who cares? Does ML have the funds for a lawsuit? No, probably not. Unless we all want to start paying monthly fees for the use of ML, but I would think that would defeat the purpose of ML in the first place.
They don't want us to have anything to do with them. If that's the case, then let them go burn their boat while they are rowing it.
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Some might argue a duty to discuss here (or elsewhere) as a need to protect content that is otherwise not protected, and to have open, honest discussions that are not edited, modified, or blocked.
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@scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:
@thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:
Maybe the question is not if we are allowed to but if we should do it.
Well, that's a bigger question. And it goes both ways. To some, it seems like talking about technical content from somewhere else is bad. But most people seem to think that it is good.
What's the condition that quoting and discussing technical stuff is bad? Especially given that the need to do so is that other forums for open discussion are not available?
Some people may think that it's a bit odd that we are discussing 99% "orange" content. Do you remember any discussion about superuser / StackExchange topics for example?
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@thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:
Some people may think that it's a bit odd that we are discussing 99% "orange" content. Do you remember any discussion about superuser / StackExchange topics for example?
I'm not aware of those sites blocking open discussion on their own platforms. Do they share a need for their discussions to be protected? If so, they should definitely be treated similarly. As they are Q&A platforms, rather than IT peer review platforms, they don't tend to suffer the same risks.
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If you are aware of communities where people aren't free to discuss technology and business, by all means cross post here under fair use.
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@scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:
@thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:
Some people may think that it's a bit odd that we are discussing 99% "orange" content. Do you remember any discussion about superuser / StackExchange topics for example?
I'm not aware of those sites blocking open discussion on their own platforms. Do they share a need for their discussions to be protected? If so, they should definitely be treated similarly. As they are Q&A platforms, rather than IT peer review platforms, they don't tend to suffer the same risks.
Just an example, but good point.
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They also tend to be... "I got error X", or just "press button Y". While useful, they tend to be very trivial with information that has little value beyond fixing the current issue.
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@scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:
Some might argue a duty to discuss here (or elsewhere) as a need to protect content that is otherwise not protected, and to have open, honest discussions that are not edited, modified, or blocked.
It IS a duty to discuss and protect content in an open and honest discussion.
That is NOT the case in OrangeLand. Anyways, there is nothing anybody can do except prove it's fine to do as we were doing, if not then at least post under "Fair use" here.
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Have other communities stopped posting as everyone watches this thread? LOL
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Regardless of the rest of the discussion here. The new ML guidelines state that we will not be allowing anyone to post from that specific community any longer. I could care less if you post stuff from here there, but I do know your post will get deleted and possibly be put in account jail as well.
They don't want us posting stuff so whatever the reason legal or otherwise is not worth my headache or legal battle. I have never operated this community based on making a big profit off of you guys, so as you can imagine that is a big deal for me to not get sued.
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@minion-queen said in Copying Content from other sources:
Regardless of the rest of the discussion here. The new ML guidelines state that we will not be allowing anyone to post from that specific community any longer. I could care less if you post stuff from here there, but I do know your post will get deleted and possibly be put in account jail as well.
They don't want us posting stuff so whatever the reason legal or otherwise is not worth my headache or legal battle. I have never operated this community based on making a big profit off of you guys, so as you can imagine that is a big deal for me to not get sued.
Aye, Aye captain
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@minion-queen You support us and we support you
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@wirestyle22 said in Copying Content from other sources:
@minion-queen You support us and we support you
It's appreciate, immensely
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@wirestyle22 said in Copying Content from other sources:
@minion-queen You support us and we support you
Most definitely agree with this, I appreciate what Mangolassi.it does and for @Minion-Queen. I think what gets us worked up about it is that there is an inherent unjustness to it and it just doesn't sit well. However, like @Minion-Queen said it is not worth our time. They are not worth our time.
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This isn't right... This is the opposite of how intelligent people think. As professionals we should want to be challenged. Scientists, engineers, IT, etc all do better with challenges. If I am wrong about something point it out!
We are generally talking about making decisions with hundred of thousands or millions of dollars daily. Who the hell wouldnt want to be called out if they are doing something wrong?
So sick of this snowflake mentality where everyone's feelings matter. Fuck your feelings. There is wrong and there is right...
