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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
      last edited by

      @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

      The only Terms I can find on SW, allow any and all use of "User Content" however anybody wants.

      If those terms do not apply, then what does apply?

      Keep in mind, as the terms are somewhere between secret and don't exist (I checked and there were none last week, I had many people verify that it was a 404 page) - even the ones that they make you accept are purely for people who create accounts and agree to them (so no one before 2010 for sure, is affected, and no one that is anonymous.) So the use of the content is governed only by the generic laws for anyone not logged in at the time.

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      • ObsolesceO
        Obsolesce
        last edited by

        If nothing else applies, then it seems at least "Fair Use" would: https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
          last edited by

          @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

          If nothing else applies, then it seems at least "Fair Use" would: https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107

          Yes, Fair Use would definitely apply.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
            last edited by

            I don't believe that Fair Use can be waived, by the definition of the doctrine.

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            • ObsolesceO
              Obsolesce
              last edited by

              Here's some good additional info... the content may not even be eligible for copyright in the first place:

              https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/public-domain/welcome/

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                last edited by

                @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                Here's some good additional info... the content may not even be eligible for copyright in the first place:

                https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/public-domain/welcome/

                Yes, that's why we had mentioned questions, answers, and facts. Those things generally aren't eligible for copyright in the first place. It depends, if someone posts an article, a story, or something of that nature it is normally covered. But if someone is asking a question or answering a question or just providing supporting evidence, it's not copyrightable in the first place.

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                • ObsolesceO
                  Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                  @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                  Here's some good additional info... the content may not even be eligible for copyright in the first place:

                  https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/public-domain/welcome/

                  Yes, that's why we had mentioned questions, answers, and facts. Those things generally aren't eligible for copyright in the first place. It depends, if someone posts an article, a story, or something of that nature it is normally covered. But if someone is asking a question or answering a question or just providing supporting evidence, it's not copyrightable in the first place.

                  I don't recall anyone posting any copyrighted material in a SW post, then someone copying it to here. Even if that was ever the case, still, it'd fall under "Fair use".

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                  • thwrT
                    thwr
                    last edited by

                    Maybe the question is not if we are allowed to but if we should do it.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                      last edited by

                      @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                      @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                      Here's some good additional info... the content may not even be eligible for copyright in the first place:

                      https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/public-domain/welcome/

                      Yes, that's why we had mentioned questions, answers, and facts. Those things generally aren't eligible for copyright in the first place. It depends, if someone posts an article, a story, or something of that nature it is normally covered. But if someone is asking a question or answering a question or just providing supporting evidence, it's not copyrightable in the first place.

                      I don't recall anyone posting any copyrighted material in a SW post, then someone copying it to here. Even if that was ever the case, still, it'd fall under "Fair use".

                      Nope, not aware of that ever happening.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @thwr
                        last edited by

                        @thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:

                        Maybe the question is not if we are allowed to but if we should do it.

                        Well, that's a bigger question. And it goes both ways. To some, it seems like talking about technical content from somewhere else is bad. But most people seem to think that it is good.

                        What's the condition that quoting and discussing technical stuff is bad? Especially given that the need to do so is that other forums for open discussion are not available?

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                        • NerdyDadN
                          NerdyDad
                          last edited by

                          Who cares? Does ML have the funds for a lawsuit? No, probably not. Unless we all want to start paying monthly fees for the use of ML, but I would think that would defeat the purpose of ML in the first place.

                          They don't want us to have anything to do with them. If that's the case, then let them go burn their boat while they are rowing it.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            Some might argue a duty to discuss here (or elsewhere) as a need to protect content that is otherwise not protected, and to have open, honest discussions that are not edited, modified, or blocked.

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                            • thwrT
                              thwr @scottalanmiller
                              last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                              @thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:

                              Maybe the question is not if we are allowed to but if we should do it.

                              Well, that's a bigger question. And it goes both ways. To some, it seems like talking about technical content from somewhere else is bad. But most people seem to think that it is good.

                              What's the condition that quoting and discussing technical stuff is bad? Especially given that the need to do so is that other forums for open discussion are not available?

                              Some people may think that it's a bit odd that we are discussing 99% "orange" content. Do you remember any discussion about superuser / StackExchange topics for example?

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @thwr
                                last edited by

                                @thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                Some people may think that it's a bit odd that we are discussing 99% "orange" content. Do you remember any discussion about superuser / StackExchange topics for example?

                                I'm not aware of those sites blocking open discussion on their own platforms. Do they share a need for their discussions to be protected? If so, they should definitely be treated similarly. As they are Q&A platforms, rather than IT peer review platforms, they don't tend to suffer the same risks.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  If you are aware of communities where people aren't free to discuss technology and business, by all means cross post here under fair use.

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                                  • thwrT
                                    thwr @scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                    @thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                    Some people may think that it's a bit odd that we are discussing 99% "orange" content. Do you remember any discussion about superuser / StackExchange topics for example?

                                    I'm not aware of those sites blocking open discussion on their own platforms. Do they share a need for their discussions to be protected? If so, they should definitely be treated similarly. As they are Q&A platforms, rather than IT peer review platforms, they don't tend to suffer the same risks.

                                    Just an example, but good point.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
                                      last edited by

                                      They also tend to be... "I got error X", or just "press button Y". While useful, they tend to be very trivial with information that has little value beyond fixing the current issue.

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                                      • ObsolesceO
                                        Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                        Some might argue a duty to discuss here (or elsewhere) as a need to protect content that is otherwise not protected, and to have open, honest discussions that are not edited, modified, or blocked.

                                        It IS a duty to discuss and protect content in an open and honest discussion.

                                        That is NOT the case in OrangeLand. Anyways, there is nothing anybody can do except prove it's fine to do as we were doing, if not then at least post under "Fair use" here.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by

                                          Have other communities stopped posting as everyone watches this thread? LOL

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                                          • Minion QueenM
                                            Minion Queen Banned
                                            last edited by Minion Queen

                                            Regardless of the rest of the discussion here. The new ML guidelines state that we will not be allowing anyone to post from that specific community any longer. I could care less if you post stuff from here there, but I do know your post will get deleted and possibly be put in account jail as well.

                                            They don't want us posting stuff so whatever the reason legal or otherwise is not worth my headache or legal battle. I have never operated this community based on making a big profit off of you guys, so as you can imagine that is a big deal for me to not get sued.

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