pricing on websites
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@jaredbusch said in pricing on websites:
@dashrender said in pricing on websites:
@jaredbusch said in pricing on websites:
@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
@dashrender said in pricing on websites:
That said, it's still completely possible that you could run into an issue that takes you 10+ hours to resolve. Assuming you had only 1 hour of sluff time baked in, you (your company) just lost 9 hours of billing. The customer in this case is taking advantage of you.
You're absolutely right. It has happened and I'm sure it will happen again. I just can't let it happen more often than not.
In my experience when I have quote a flat rate job the customer has never been upset about the bill at the end of the job. On hourly work, I've had to "have a sit down" to explain all the hours. This is after detailed invoices.Then tell that customer to go fly a kite. Oh, and bill them for that time too.
You could always offer them a flat rate - but be aware that it will be at least 4 hours costs over what you 'think' the job will cost because of the scope building time (not job related) and the risk fluff time.
4 hours? Hahahahahahahahahahha
I borrowed that from Scott.
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@Mike-Davis do you get email status about various things from the clients. Assuming that you do and have email rules to put them in folders, do you check those folders?
I do. Multiple times a day. It usually just a glance, but I check.
I also bill a half an hour to one hour a week for it.
Just to make sure shit ain’t broke.
This is work that means it is billed.
Are you counting that?
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@jaredbusch said in pricing on websites:
@Mike-Davis do you get email status about various things from the clients. Assuming that you do and have email rules to put them in folders, do you check those folders?
I do. Multiple times a day. It usually just a glance, but I check.
I also bill a half an hour to one hour a week for it.
Just to make sure shit ain’t broke.
This is work that mean it is billed.
Are you counting that?
It's possible that an hour isn't even enough considering the job switching time lost.
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@dashrender said in pricing on websites:
@jaredbusch said in pricing on websites:
@Mike-Davis do you get email status about various things from the clients. Assuming that you do and have email rules to put them in folders, do you check those folders?
I do. Multiple times a day. It usually just a glance, but I check.
I also bill a half an hour to one hour a week for it.
Just to make sure shit ain’t broke.
This is work that mean it is billed.
Are you counting that?
It's possible that an hour isn't even enough considering the job switching time lost.
Not anymore as I make it a routine and is not an interupt.
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@jaredbusch said in pricing on websites:
@dashrender said in pricing on websites:
@jaredbusch said in pricing on websites:
@Mike-Davis do you get email status about various things from the clients. Assuming that you do and have email rules to put them in folders, do you check those folders?
I do. Multiple times a day. It usually just a glance, but I check.
I also bill a half an hour to one hour a week for it.
Just to make sure shit ain’t broke.
This is work that mean it is billed.
Are you counting that?
It's possible that an hour isn't even enough considering the job switching time lost.
Not anymore as I make it a routine and is not an interupt.
Granted, finding an issue turns into a new ticket event. So that is always an interupt. But no different than any new incoming ticket.
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@jaredbusch said in pricing on websites:
@jaredbusch said in pricing on websites:
@dashrender said in pricing on websites:
@jaredbusch said in pricing on websites:
@Mike-Davis do you get email status about various things from the clients. Assuming that you do and have email rules to put them in folders, do you check those folders?
I do. Multiple times a day. It usually just a glance, but I check.
I also bill a half an hour to one hour a week for it.
Just to make sure shit ain’t broke.
This is work that mean it is billed.
Are you counting that?
It's possible that an hour isn't even enough considering the job switching time lost.
Not anymore as I make it a routine and is not an interupt.
Granted, finding an issue turns into a new ticket event. So that is always an interupt. But no different than any new incoming ticket.
lol, of course. - oh and it's more billing.. and it's likely proactive.. so even better for the customer!
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@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
The second one says he really doesn't know how long it's going to take, but to trust him that he won't overbill me and he's going to do the best job he can. He tells me that if I pay for hours up front I'll get a better rate, but he can't really tell me how many hours he anticipates using.
This is called "time and materials" and is very common for most contractors and construction projects.
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@coliver said in pricing on websites:
@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
The second one says he really doesn't know how long it's going to take, but to trust him that he won't overbill me and he's going to do the best job he can. He tells me that if I pay for hours up front I'll get a better rate, but he can't really tell me how many hours he anticipates using.
This is called "time and materials" and is very common for most contractors and construction projects.
And a fairly accurate estimate of hours is always given. Otherwise the company would go out of business for lack of clients.
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@jaredbusch said in pricing on websites:
@coliver said in pricing on websites:
@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
The second one says he really doesn't know how long it's going to take, but to trust him that he won't overbill me and he's going to do the best job he can. He tells me that if I pay for hours up front I'll get a better rate, but he can't really tell me how many hours he anticipates using.
This is called "time and materials" and is very common for most contractors and construction projects.
And a fairly accurate estimate of hours is always given. Otherwise the company would go out of business for lack of clients.
Yes, or the project is understood to be "until complete" and that unforeseen costs may come up.
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@coliver said in pricing on websites:
@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
The second one says he really doesn't know how long it's going to take, but to trust him that he won't overbill me and he's going to do the best job he can. He tells me that if I pay for hours up front I'll get a better rate, but he can't really tell me how many hours he anticipates using.
This is called "time and materials" and is very common for most contractors and construction projects.
So is bidding on jobs...
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@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
@coliver said in pricing on websites:
@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
The second one says he really doesn't know how long it's going to take, but to trust him that he won't overbill me and he's going to do the best job he can. He tells me that if I pay for hours up front I'll get a better rate, but he can't really tell me how many hours he anticipates using.
This is called "time and materials" and is very common for most contractors and construction projects.
So is bidding on jobs...
WTF is that supposed to mean. That has no appropriate context.
It is all bidding a job. The point is how you are bidding it. I mean seriously WTF is your issue here. You have yet to respond intelligently to anything.
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@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
@coliver said in pricing on websites:
@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
The second one says he really doesn't know how long it's going to take, but to trust him that he won't overbill me and he's going to do the best job he can. He tells me that if I pay for hours up front I'll get a better rate, but he can't really tell me how many hours he anticipates using.
This is called "time and materials" and is very common for most contractors and construction projects.
So is bidding on jobs...
Yep not saying they aren't both common. Just saying that neither is a crazy way of doing business and they both have their place in the construction industry. But as @scottalanmiller said that doesn't necessarily translate well to the technical industry.
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@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
@coliver said in pricing on websites:
@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
The second one says he really doesn't know how long it's going to take, but to trust him that he won't overbill me and he's going to do the best job he can. He tells me that if I pay for hours up front I'll get a better rate, but he can't really tell me how many hours he anticipates using.
This is called "time and materials" and is very common for most contractors and construction projects.
So is bidding on jobs...
Sure, but bidding on jobs at a flat rate means the seller needs to build in fluff time or risk loosing a ton of money (paying employees to work where there are problems, where the client isn't paying them for that work, because it wasn't part of the flat rate consideration).
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@coliver said in pricing on websites:
@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
@coliver said in pricing on websites:
@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
The second one says he really doesn't know how long it's going to take, but to trust him that he won't overbill me and he's going to do the best job he can. He tells me that if I pay for hours up front I'll get a better rate, but he can't really tell me how many hours he anticipates using.
This is called "time and materials" and is very common for most contractors and construction projects.
So is bidding on jobs...
Yep not saying they aren't both common. Just saying that neither is a crazy way of doing business and they both have their place in the construction industry. But as @scottalanmiller said that doesn't necessarily translate well to the technical industry.
And both are common in tech. It's just that one is good for customers and one is not, even if the customers don't realize how it works. Customers don't undestand tech and often think it is like construction and shoot themselves in the foot beacuse of it. But it's the best way to make money, so of course it's how we hope they will request that we work.
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I'd just give different hourly rates depending on the type of work. If it's a simple antivirus install or hard drive replacement it's lower. Bigger, more complex jobs are more expensive per hour and require more hours. You can also weed out the work you don't want to do by pricing it much higher this way. Basically, you have to bribe me to do X but if you agree to my insane asking price I'll be forced to do it.
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@wirestyle22 said in pricing on websites:
I'd just give different hourly rates depending on the type of work. If it's a simple antivirus install or hard drive replacement it's lower. Bigger, more complex jobs are more expensive per hour and require more hours. You can also weed out the work you don't want to do by pricing it much higher this way. Basically, you have to bribe me to do X but if you agree to my insane asking price I'll be forced to do it.
Only more per hour if it requires different staff.
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You know guys, I started this thread because I noticed people complained about companies not having pricing on their website. So I looked at the websites of those people and noticed that they didn't have their pricing on their website. I didn't want to call them out on it in that thread, so I thought I would start a new thread to see why it they wouldn't talk to vendors like that, but felt it was fine for their own company. I'm even more confused now.
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@mike-davis I'm finally getting around to updating my own site. I just re-added my private saxophone lesson rates tonight.
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@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
You know guys, I started this thread because I noticed people complained about companies not having pricing on their website. So I looked at the websites of those people and noticed that they didn't have their pricing on their website. I didn't want to call them out on it in that thread, so I thought I would start a new thread to see why it they wouldn't talk to vendors like that, but felt it was fine for their own company. I'm even more confused now.
Trying to not call me out?
I clearly stated back at the beginning of this thread that I was overruled on that for our website.
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@mike-davis said in pricing on websites:
You know guys, I started this thread because I noticed people complained about companies not having pricing on their website. So I looked at the websites of those people and noticed that they didn't have their pricing on their website. I didn't want to call them out on it in that thread, so I thought I would start a new thread to see why it they wouldn't talk to vendors like that, but felt it was fine for their own company. I'm even more confused now.
But that's not what got discussed. I think that public pricing for consulting is uncommon, partially because it can be confusing if there are a lot of rates. The thing that ended up being discussed, almost immediately, was that rates were not standard but instead fluctuating and then the means by which they are billed.
So while that was the original question, it's almost immediately not where the conversation went.
