Looking for some neat Server Build Projects
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@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
To compare:
They are both good. I might give MS the edge, but their themes are weaker than LO's. But LO doesn't have as nice of buttons. But I like LO's OS integration better.
Is yours using a special theme? I like your buttons better.
Just the standard Dark integration, nothing added.
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Here's Zoho
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Theme is only part of it really. Though I really wish they would modernize.
The MS ribbon didn't get good reviews when it first came out. Anything different is immediately attacked.
But over time it makes sense, organizing groups of similar buttons and collapsing the ribbon, etc. LO and OO are still just like, 'here are 142 buttons all in rows, you're welcome'.It's less about the theme I think, and more about file compatibility. I can open Word files sent to me by others, but it's not always the case an ODF or something will be compatible with some other person's Office 2010, or that the formatting will remain the same when we send it to them even if they can open it.
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@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Theme is only part of it really. Though I really wish they would modernize.
The MS ribbon didn't get good reviews when it first came out. Anything different is immediately attacked.
But over time it makes sense, organizing groups of similar buttons and collapsing the ribbon, etc. LO and OO are still just like, 'here are 142 buttons all in rows, you're welcome'.It's less about the theme I think, and more about file compatibility. I can open Word files sent to me by others, but it's not always the case an ODF or something will be compatible with some other person's Office 2010, or that the formatting will remain the same when we send it to them even if they can open it.
Why would others send you Word files, though? Word is for collaboration, not something you'd get from the outside. And from the inside, once you've switched, the problem is solved.
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@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Boss though it was useless to buy everyone a license, so I was only allowed to buy 5 licenses and other people in the building are using the same accounts, since they can be used on up to five devices.
Report it to MS. This is a license violation. Your boss told you to steal.
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@jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Boss though it was useless to buy everyone a license, so I was only allowed to buy 5 licenses and other people in the building are using the same accounts, since they can be used on up to five devices.
Report it to MS. This is a license violation. Your boss told you to steal.
Yeah, that's just blatant theft, no ifs ands or buts.
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@jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Boss though it was useless to buy everyone a license, so I was only allowed to buy 5 licenses and other people in the building are using the same accounts, since they can be used on up to five devices.
Report it to MS. This is a license violation. Your boss told you to steal.
That's huge. Big no-no.
Licenses like that are tied to that specific user, nobody can use it, no exceptions.
Your boss should have told you to get a retail copy, which is tied to the computer, in which anybody can go up to and use.
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Ya, well, 10 years ago they also bought Office 2007 (single license) and installed it on as many computers as it would go. And kept installing it on new computers when purchased.
Since the O365 user can be installed on 5 computers and 5 mobiles or whatever, they are going to do just that.
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@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Ya, well, 10 years ago they also bought Office 2007 (single license) and installed it on as many computers as it would go. And kept installing it on new computers when purchased.
Since the O365 user can be installed on 5 computers and 5 mobiles or whatever, they are going to do just that.
A single user can have it on 5 of thier devices... their desktop, laptop, phone, home computer, etc. But only THAT USER can use it. Not their coworker, not their wife, not their children.
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@jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Well I guess I'll just have to buy O365 to get Word and Excel. Then buy Google Apps to get Drive. Then buy some other suite just to get a decent intranet. Then another suite to get some notes. Then another suite just to get the wiki. ffs
Why do you need Word and Excel? I mean lots of people need them but why do you?
Because all the non-techy people are used to Office. I only recently finally got them to stop using old copies of Office 2007. At least now they can use 2016 on O365. They will not use anything else, and threw a hissy fit when MS started pushing Office as a subscription model. They were THIS close to forcing us to keep using 2007 just because we happened to have those licenses and the software still runs fine.
MS's licensing model is such a pain. All I want is updated software, and all the boss wants is to not spend thousands of dollars upgrading when the old stuff "still works". And nothing compares to Word/Excel right now. Don't even bother telling me to try doing spreadsheets in the cloud in a web browser on Google. No chance of ever getting anybody around here to do that.
I use LibreOffice on Windows and it runs perfectly. Most users do not know the difference. Power user of course would.
I call BS - most if not ALL users would know the difference, but would they care - assuming formatting it identical, they would probably wouldn't care.
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@dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Well I guess I'll just have to buy O365 to get Word and Excel. Then buy Google Apps to get Drive. Then buy some other suite just to get a decent intranet. Then another suite to get some notes. Then another suite just to get the wiki. ffs
Why do you need Word and Excel? I mean lots of people need them but why do you?
Because all the non-techy people are used to Office. I only recently finally got them to stop using old copies of Office 2007. At least now they can use 2016 on O365. They will not use anything else, and threw a hissy fit when MS started pushing Office as a subscription model. They were THIS close to forcing us to keep using 2007 just because we happened to have those licenses and the software still runs fine.
MS's licensing model is such a pain. All I want is updated software, and all the boss wants is to not spend thousands of dollars upgrading when the old stuff "still works". And nothing compares to Word/Excel right now. Don't even bother telling me to try doing spreadsheets in the cloud in a web browser on Google. No chance of ever getting anybody around here to do that.
I use LibreOffice on Windows and it runs perfectly. Most users do not know the difference. Power user of course would.
I call BS - most if not ALL users would know the difference, but would they care - assuming formatting it identical, they would probably wouldn't care.
In tests that I've seen, users actually couldn't tell it wasn't MS Office. That users feel they need MS Office is something that they repeat, but rarely based on something real.
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@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Since the O365 user can be installed on 5 computers and 5 mobiles or whatever, they are going to do just that.
Once you are stealing, you can steal an unlimited about. Applying an arbitrary limit to the theft based on a different theft vector doesn't make logical sense.
Imagine someone robbing a store but only being willing to steal items in Aisle 2.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Theme is only part of it really. Though I really wish they would modernize.
The MS ribbon didn't get good reviews when it first came out. Anything different is immediately attacked.
But over time it makes sense, organizing groups of similar buttons and collapsing the ribbon, etc. LO and OO are still just like, 'here are 142 buttons all in rows, you're welcome'.It's less about the theme I think, and more about file compatibility. I can open Word files sent to me by others, but it's not always the case an ODF or something will be compatible with some other person's Office 2010, or that the formatting will remain the same when we send it to them even if they can open it.
Why would others send you Word files, though? Word is for collaboration, not something you'd get from the outside. And from the inside, once you've switched, the problem is solved.
Don't ask me why - but tons of vendors send word documents for quotes instead of PDFs. I tried to kill doc and docx files at our gateway - the pitch forks came out in droves!.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Well I guess I'll just have to buy O365 to get Word and Excel. Then buy Google Apps to get Drive. Then buy some other suite just to get a decent intranet. Then another suite to get some notes. Then another suite just to get the wiki. ffs
Why do you need Word and Excel? I mean lots of people need them but why do you?
Because all the non-techy people are used to Office. I only recently finally got them to stop using old copies of Office 2007. At least now they can use 2016 on O365. They will not use anything else, and threw a hissy fit when MS started pushing Office as a subscription model. They were THIS close to forcing us to keep using 2007 just because we happened to have those licenses and the software still runs fine.
MS's licensing model is such a pain. All I want is updated software, and all the boss wants is to not spend thousands of dollars upgrading when the old stuff "still works". And nothing compares to Word/Excel right now. Don't even bother telling me to try doing spreadsheets in the cloud in a web browser on Google. No chance of ever getting anybody around here to do that.
I use LibreOffice on Windows and it runs perfectly. Most users do not know the difference. Power user of course would.
I call BS - most if not ALL users would know the difference, but would they care - assuming formatting it identical, they would probably wouldn't care.
In tests that I've seen, users actually couldn't tell it wasn't MS Office. That users feel they need MS Office is something that they repeat, but rarely based on something real.
I agree with you on the point of people repeating that they need something they likely don't. But as already mentioned, the last time I looked at converting, the layouts changed drastically between MS Office and anything else, that made it a no go.
Plus, as just mentioned, we still get many quotes in doc or docx format for whatever crazy reason...
Perhaps I should just start changing pricing and submit the signed quote back to them (which is a PDF because I print and sign it.) lol -
@dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Well I guess I'll just have to buy O365 to get Word and Excel. Then buy Google Apps to get Drive. Then buy some other suite just to get a decent intranet. Then another suite to get some notes. Then another suite just to get the wiki. ffs
Why do you need Word and Excel? I mean lots of people need them but why do you?
Because all the non-techy people are used to Office. I only recently finally got them to stop using old copies of Office 2007. At least now they can use 2016 on O365. They will not use anything else, and threw a hissy fit when MS started pushing Office as a subscription model. They were THIS close to forcing us to keep using 2007 just because we happened to have those licenses and the software still runs fine.
MS's licensing model is such a pain. All I want is updated software, and all the boss wants is to not spend thousands of dollars upgrading when the old stuff "still works". And nothing compares to Word/Excel right now. Don't even bother telling me to try doing spreadsheets in the cloud in a web browser on Google. No chance of ever getting anybody around here to do that.
I use LibreOffice on Windows and it runs perfectly. Most users do not know the difference. Power user of course would.
I call BS - most if not ALL users would know the difference, but would they care - assuming formatting it identical, they would probably wouldn't care.
In tests that I've seen, users actually couldn't tell it wasn't MS Office. That users feel they need MS Office is something that they repeat, but rarely based on something real.
I agree with you on the point of people repeating that they need something they likely don't. But as already mentioned, the last time I looked at converting, the layouts changed drastically between MS Office and anything else, that made it a no go.
Plus, as just mentioned, we still get many quotes in doc or docx format for whatever crazy reason...
Perhaps I should just start changing pricing and submit the signed quote back to them (which is a PDF because I print and sign it.) lolYeah I hear ya. Just going to a different versions of MS Office can create weeks of work reformatting large spreadsheets for some people. I can imaging going to a completely different software.
Starting out with nothing, I'd definitely go with LO.
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@dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Theme is only part of it really. Though I really wish they would modernize.
The MS ribbon didn't get good reviews when it first came out. Anything different is immediately attacked.
But over time it makes sense, organizing groups of similar buttons and collapsing the ribbon, etc. LO and OO are still just like, 'here are 142 buttons all in rows, you're welcome'.It's less about the theme I think, and more about file compatibility. I can open Word files sent to me by others, but it's not always the case an ODF or something will be compatible with some other person's Office 2010, or that the formatting will remain the same when we send it to them even if they can open it.
Why would others send you Word files, though? Word is for collaboration, not something you'd get from the outside. And from the inside, once you've switched, the problem is solved.
Don't ask me why - but tons of vendors send word documents for quotes instead of PDFs. I tried to kill doc and docx files at our gateway - the pitch forks came out in droves!.
Have a chat with them about security, instead of about proper file formats.
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@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Well I guess I'll just have to buy O365 to get Word and Excel. Then buy Google Apps to get Drive. Then buy some other suite just to get a decent intranet. Then another suite to get some notes. Then another suite just to get the wiki. ffs
Why do you need Word and Excel? I mean lots of people need them but why do you?
Because all the non-techy people are used to Office. I only recently finally got them to stop using old copies of Office 2007. At least now they can use 2016 on O365. They will not use anything else, and threw a hissy fit when MS started pushing Office as a subscription model. They were THIS close to forcing us to keep using 2007 just because we happened to have those licenses and the software still runs fine.
MS's licensing model is such a pain. All I want is updated software, and all the boss wants is to not spend thousands of dollars upgrading when the old stuff "still works". And nothing compares to Word/Excel right now. Don't even bother telling me to try doing spreadsheets in the cloud in a web browser on Google. No chance of ever getting anybody around here to do that.
I use LibreOffice on Windows and it runs perfectly. Most users do not know the difference. Power user of course would.
I call BS - most if not ALL users would know the difference, but would they care - assuming formatting it identical, they would probably wouldn't care.
In tests that I've seen, users actually couldn't tell it wasn't MS Office. That users feel they need MS Office is something that they repeat, but rarely based on something real.
I agree with you on the point of people repeating that they need something they likely don't. But as already mentioned, the last time I looked at converting, the layouts changed drastically between MS Office and anything else, that made it a no go.
Plus, as just mentioned, we still get many quotes in doc or docx format for whatever crazy reason...
Perhaps I should just start changing pricing and submit the signed quote back to them (which is a PDF because I print and sign it.) lolYeah I hear ya. Just going to a different versions of MS Office can create weeks of work reformatting large spreadsheets for some people. I can imaging going to a completely different software.
Starting out with nothing, I'd definitely go with LO.
Although that highlights a reason to change - only go through the breakage once, instead of on a regular basis.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Well I guess I'll just have to buy O365 to get Word and Excel. Then buy Google Apps to get Drive. Then buy some other suite just to get a decent intranet. Then another suite to get some notes. Then another suite just to get the wiki. ffs
Why do you need Word and Excel? I mean lots of people need them but why do you?
Because all the non-techy people are used to Office. I only recently finally got them to stop using old copies of Office 2007. At least now they can use 2016 on O365. They will not use anything else, and threw a hissy fit when MS started pushing Office as a subscription model. They were THIS close to forcing us to keep using 2007 just because we happened to have those licenses and the software still runs fine.
MS's licensing model is such a pain. All I want is updated software, and all the boss wants is to not spend thousands of dollars upgrading when the old stuff "still works". And nothing compares to Word/Excel right now. Don't even bother telling me to try doing spreadsheets in the cloud in a web browser on Google. No chance of ever getting anybody around here to do that.
I use LibreOffice on Windows and it runs perfectly. Most users do not know the difference. Power user of course would.
I call BS - most if not ALL users would know the difference, but would they care - assuming formatting it identical, they would probably wouldn't care.
In tests that I've seen, users actually couldn't tell it wasn't MS Office. That users feel they need MS Office is something that they repeat, but rarely based on something real.
I agree with you on the point of people repeating that they need something they likely don't. But as already mentioned, the last time I looked at converting, the layouts changed drastically between MS Office and anything else, that made it a no go.
Plus, as just mentioned, we still get many quotes in doc or docx format for whatever crazy reason...
Perhaps I should just start changing pricing and submit the signed quote back to them (which is a PDF because I print and sign it.) lolYeah I hear ya. Just going to a different versions of MS Office can create weeks of work reformatting large spreadsheets for some people. I can imaging going to a completely different software.
Starting out with nothing, I'd definitely go with LO.
Although that highlights a reason to change - only go through the breakage once, instead of on a regular basis.
For sure.
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@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Well I guess I'll just have to buy O365 to get Word and Excel. Then buy Google Apps to get Drive. Then buy some other suite just to get a decent intranet. Then another suite to get some notes. Then another suite just to get the wiki. ffs
Why do you need Word and Excel? I mean lots of people need them but why do you?
Because all the non-techy people are used to Office. I only recently finally got them to stop using old copies of Office 2007. At least now they can use 2016 on O365. They will not use anything else, and threw a hissy fit when MS started pushing Office as a subscription model. They were THIS close to forcing us to keep using 2007 just because we happened to have those licenses and the software still runs fine.
MS's licensing model is such a pain. All I want is updated software, and all the boss wants is to not spend thousands of dollars upgrading when the old stuff "still works". And nothing compares to Word/Excel right now. Don't even bother telling me to try doing spreadsheets in the cloud in a web browser on Google. No chance of ever getting anybody around here to do that.
I use LibreOffice on Windows and it runs perfectly. Most users do not know the difference. Power user of course would.
I call BS - most if not ALL users would know the difference, but would they care - assuming formatting it identical, they would probably wouldn't care.
In tests that I've seen, users actually couldn't tell it wasn't MS Office. That users feel they need MS Office is something that they repeat, but rarely based on something real.
I agree with you on the point of people repeating that they need something they likely don't. But as already mentioned, the last time I looked at converting, the layouts changed drastically between MS Office and anything else, that made it a no go.
Plus, as just mentioned, we still get many quotes in doc or docx format for whatever crazy reason...
Perhaps I should just start changing pricing and submit the signed quote back to them (which is a PDF because I print and sign it.) lolYeah I hear ya. Just going to a different versions of MS Office can create weeks of work reformatting large spreadsheets for some people. I can imaging going to a completely different software.
Starting out with nothing, I'd definitely go with LO.
Although that highlights a reason to change - only go through the breakage once, instead of on a regular basis.
For sure.
Not that LO could never have formatting issues, I've just never seen it. Been on it for 18 years at least, not one issue like MS Office users seem to get all the time.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Theme is only part of it really. Though I really wish they would modernize.
The MS ribbon didn't get good reviews when it first came out. Anything different is immediately attacked.
But over time it makes sense, organizing groups of similar buttons and collapsing the ribbon, etc. LO and OO are still just like, 'here are 142 buttons all in rows, you're welcome'.It's less about the theme I think, and more about file compatibility. I can open Word files sent to me by others, but it's not always the case an ODF or something will be compatible with some other person's Office 2010, or that the formatting will remain the same when we send it to them even if they can open it.
Why would others send you Word files, though? Word is for collaboration, not something you'd get from the outside. And from the inside, once you've switched, the problem is solved.
Don't ask me why - but tons of vendors send word documents for quotes instead of PDFs. I tried to kill doc and docx files at our gateway - the pitch forks came out in droves!.
Have a chat with them about security, instead of about proper file formats.
LOL - they could care less about security. But it is a good place to start a conversation with someone who might. But like so many users - they would likely push back because of the perceived additional work they have to do.
Today - open template, add line items, save docx to local repo, click send file to email, email.
Tomorrow - open template, add line items, save docx to local repo (allows for future edits), save as PDF, get PDF into email, email.Sure it's not rocket science, but there is clearly a new step needed.
