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    Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM

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      scottalanmiller
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      It's sad to see Xen go for historical reasons. But logically, the field has too many players. Consolidation is needed. Xen and KVM are already both from the Linux Foundation and XenServer has just driven Xen into the ground. It's horrible that so much went into Xen and now it is being lost, but the better thing for everyone would be for the Xen team to be folded into the KVM team and just focus on a single thing going forward.

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        StorageNinja Vendor @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

        It's sad to see Xen go for historical reasons. But logically, the field has too many players. Consolidation is needed. Xen and KVM are already both from the Linux Foundation and XenServer has just driven Xen into the ground. It's horrible that so much went into Xen and now it is being lost, but the better thing for everyone would be for the Xen team to be folded into the KVM team and just focus on a single thing going forward.

        Linus never was a fan of Xen I've heard (KVM got it's bits into the kernel first, while there was some snobbery about the quality of Xen's commits).

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          scottalanmiller @StorageNinja
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          @storageninja said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

          @scottalanmiller said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

          It's sad to see Xen go for historical reasons. But logically, the field has too many players. Consolidation is needed. Xen and KVM are already both from the Linux Foundation and XenServer has just driven Xen into the ground. It's horrible that so much went into Xen and now it is being lost, but the better thing for everyone would be for the Xen team to be folded into the KVM team and just focus on a single thing going forward.

          Linus never was a fan of Xen I've heard (KVM got it's bits into the kernel first, while there was some snobbery about the quality of Xen's commits).

          Well Xen actually came first in the kernel. but of course Linux preferred a Linux solution over a non-Linux solution. That's not really a fair way to gauge things. KVM is Linux virtualization, Xen is not.

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            StorageNinja Vendor @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller The first way I ran Xen was on BSD and Solaris actually.

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              scottalanmiller @StorageNinja
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              @storageninja said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

              @scottalanmiller The first way I ran Xen was on BSD and Solaris actually.

              Yup, NetBSD was popular with Xen once upon a time. Solaris was pretty niche.

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                AdamF
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                Wow, that's big news. Looks like it's a good time to convert my home environment to KVM. Currently, I'm on Xen and was looking to try out KVM anyway. Seems like a good time.

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                  scottalanmiller @AdamF
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                  @fuznutz04 said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                  Wow, that's big news. Looks like it's a good time to convert my home environment to KVM. Currently, I'm on Xen and was looking to try out KVM anyway. Seems like a good time.

                  Yeah, and with XenServer being so bad now, so much of the SMB use case of Xen just doesn't make sense there any more either.

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                    dafyre
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                    Having used both Xen and KVM, I gotta say that I find KVM to be much easier to work with.

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                      scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                      @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                      Having used both Xen and KVM, I gotta say that I find KVM to be much easier to work with.

                      I've found them both really easy 🙂

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                        dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                        @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                        Having used both Xen and KVM, I gotta say that I find KVM to be much easier to work with.

                        I've found them both really easy 🙂

                        XenServer was easy, but just didn't mesh well with how I wanted it to work. KVM was a bit easier to get set up in my remote environment.

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                          BRRABill
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                          Guess it's time to get that old copy of Hyper-V dusted off...

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                            Dashrender @dafyre
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                            @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                            @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                            Having used both Xen and KVM, I gotta say that I find KVM to be much easier to work with.

                            I've found them both really easy 🙂

                            XenServer was easy, but just didn't mesh well with how I wanted it to work. KVM was a bit easier to get set up in my remote environment.

                            How so?

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                              scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                              @brrabill said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                              Guess it's time to get that old copy of Hyper-V dusted off...

                              Or move to KVM. Duh.

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                                scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                                @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                Having used both Xen and KVM, I gotta say that I find KVM to be much easier to work with.

                                I've found them both really easy 🙂

                                XenServer was easy, but just didn't mesh well with how I wanted it to work. KVM was a bit easier to get set up in my remote environment.

                                XenServer wasn't as easy for me as Xen.

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                                  DustinB3403 @BRRABill
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                                  @brrabill said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                  Guess it's time to get that old copy of Hyper-V dusted off...

                                  Why would this be your jump? Why now would you go from open source to closed source?

                                  At the time you were evaluating XS, you were using Hyper-V and while it worked, it lacked a lot of what you needed.

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                                    dafyre @Dashrender
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                                    @dashrender said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                    @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                    @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                    Having used both Xen and KVM, I gotta say that I find KVM to be much easier to work with.

                                    I've found them both really easy 🙂

                                    XenServer was easy, but just didn't mesh well with how I wanted it to work. KVM was a bit easier to get set up in my remote environment.

                                    How so?

                                    In my hosted lab, it wanted to take over my only public IP address. XAPI took over ports 80 and 443, so I couldn't run a web server or anything on those ports. I never was able to figure out how to change it -- I even asked here a time or two.

                                    KVM went right in and gave me zero hassle.

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                                      Dashrender @dafyre
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                                      @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                      @dashrender said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                      @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                      @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                      Having used both Xen and KVM, I gotta say that I find KVM to be much easier to work with.

                                      I've found them both really easy 🙂

                                      XenServer was easy, but just didn't mesh well with how I wanted it to work. KVM was a bit easier to get set up in my remote environment.

                                      How so?

                                      In my hosted lab, it wanted to take over my only public IP address. XAPI took over ports 80 and 443, so I couldn't run a web server or anything on those ports. I never was able to figure out how to change it -- I even asked here a time or two.

                                      KVM went right in and gave me zero hassle.

                                      Interesting.. What ports does KVM use for management? just typical SSH?

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                                        travisdh1 @Dashrender
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                                        @dashrender said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                        @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                        @dashrender said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                        @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                        @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                        Having used both Xen and KVM, I gotta say that I find KVM to be much easier to work with.

                                        I've found them both really easy 🙂

                                        XenServer was easy, but just didn't mesh well with how I wanted it to work. KVM was a bit easier to get set up in my remote environment.

                                        How so?

                                        In my hosted lab, it wanted to take over my only public IP address. XAPI took over ports 80 and 443, so I couldn't run a web server or anything on those ports. I never was able to figure out how to change it -- I even asked here a time or two.

                                        KVM went right in and gave me zero hassle.

                                        Interesting.. What ports does KVM use for management? just typical SSH?

                                        Yep, just SSH.

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                                          dafyre @Dashrender
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                                          @dashrender said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                          @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                          @dashrender said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                          @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                          @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                          Having used both Xen and KVM, I gotta say that I find KVM to be much easier to work with.

                                          I've found them both really easy 🙂

                                          XenServer was easy, but just didn't mesh well with how I wanted it to work. KVM was a bit easier to get set up in my remote environment.

                                          How so?

                                          In my hosted lab, it wanted to take over my only public IP address. XAPI took over ports 80 and 443, so I couldn't run a web server or anything on those ports. I never was able to figure out how to change it -- I even asked here a time or two.

                                          KVM went right in and gave me zero hassle.

                                          Interesting.. What ports does KVM use for management? just typical SSH?

                                          Yepp.

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                                            Dashrender @dafyre
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                                            @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                            @dashrender said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                            @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                            @dashrender said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                            @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                            @dafyre said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:

                                            Having used both Xen and KVM, I gotta say that I find KVM to be much easier to work with.

                                            I've found them both really easy 🙂

                                            XenServer was easy, but just didn't mesh well with how I wanted it to work. KVM was a bit easier to get set up in my remote environment.

                                            How so?

                                            In my hosted lab, it wanted to take over my only public IP address. XAPI took over ports 80 and 443, so I couldn't run a web server or anything on those ports. I never was able to figure out how to change it -- I even asked here a time or two.

                                            KVM went right in and gave me zero hassle.

                                            Interesting.. What ports does KVM use for management? just typical SSH?

                                            Yepp.

                                            Is there no web management for it then?

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