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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
You're not a millennial, but you definitely behalf like them in some respects.
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@jaredbusch said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
The long of it is that it's just a bad situation no matter what - like you wanting more family contact than you get, even from three people in close proximity to you, yet those three what the amount of alone time to be the same as it is now or more. I want more alone time, she wants less.
Those aren't the issues. The issues seem, from your description, to revolve 100% around some emotional reaction to paying for the shows versus paying less for them. In both cases, you can keep the same schedule. But in one, you've paid more, and in the other you've paid less and have more options (that you can ignore.)
No I can't keep the same schedule. At a bare mimimum I have to wait until summer when Netflix gets the show.
My wife has already been talking about getting rid of cable... So I'm guessing we'll cut it during xmas break and see how the first part of next year is only with streaming services.
Just unplug the Cox set top box and hide it. Way easier than cancelling service and readding it.
yeah we'll see.
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
The long of it is that it's just a bad situation no matter what - like you wanting more family contact than you get, even from three people in close proximity to you, yet those three what the amount of alone time to be the same as it is now or more. I want more alone time, she wants less.
Those aren't the issues. The issues seem, from your description, to revolve 100% around some emotional reaction to paying for the shows versus paying less for them. In both cases, you can keep the same schedule. But in one, you've paid more, and in the other you've paid less and have more options (that you can ignore.)
No I can't keep the same schedule. At a bare mimimum I have to wait until summer when Netflix gets the show.
You are not following, at all. You wait the mandatory delay time for a new show, then you get access all at once, then you decide on the watching schedule. Want it "every Tuesday at 8PM" just like before? Then you do that. You lose nothing. Literally nothing. You don't notice the delay up front because you've not seen the show yet. And once that initital delay is absorbed (again, a "you don't notice" delay) then you get your old schedule back PLUS more options.
There is no downside here except the water cooler effect.
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
You're not a millennial, but you definitely behalf like them in some respects.
That's weird, I'd say the opposite. I have the "modern technology" effect of being in my 40s. Millenials are the anti-tech generation who went backwards from email to texting, from Internet to cell networks, from cutting cords to legacy television. It's the hipster effect.
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
The weekly schedule keep some shows semi synced for us.. i.e. NCIS is on Tuesdays. If we are both home, we watch it 30 mins after it starts so we can skip the commercials. If either of us is gone, the one that's home will wait until both people are available. Rarely do we need to wait more than 2 days.
So keep that schedule, easy peasy.
lol - HAHAHA yeah... you know binging doesn't work like that.
Right, so don't binge. Again, all I'm hearing is you saying "I'm paying someone to make my options bad so that I can't do things the way that I want to."
Things I don't understand are...
- Why does arbitrarily paying someone to make your options suck make things better?
- Why does paying for cable make you not treat your DVR like Netflix?
- Why do you want the end result if you clearly don't like the end result?
None of it makes sense to me. You are willing to pay to make things worse so that you have to do things in a way you'd never do if you hadn't figured out how to be stuck in that mode, except you aren't stuck, so it makes even less sense.
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@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
No OTA TV?
I've not had access to that since 1994. You need a TV, a tuner, and an antenna to do that. I've owned a TV most of the time since 1994, but only most, far from all. I've never owned either of the other two, ever. I've never owned a VCR (my parents did, but not me) ever. From 1994 - 2008 I owned Laserdisc players and DVD players, nothing else. In 2008, right at the end of the year, we bought a BluRay player and earlier in 2008 we got Netflix.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
No OTA TV?
I've not had access to that since 1994. You need a TV, a tuner, and an antenna to do that. I've owned a TV most of the time since 1994, but only most, far from all. I've never owned either of the other two, ever. I've never owned a VCR (my parents did, but not me) ever. From 1994 - 2008 I owned Laserdisc players and DVD players, nothing else. In 2008, right at the end of the year, we bought a BluRay player and earlier in 2008 we got Netflix.
The tuner was built into the TV. You just had to plug in an antenna into the TV and search for channels.
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@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
No OTA TV?
I've not had access to that since 1994. You need a TV, a tuner, and an antenna to do that. I've owned a TV most of the time since 1994, but only most, far from all. I've never owned either of the other two, ever. I've never owned a VCR (my parents did, but not me) ever. From 1994 - 2008 I owned Laserdisc players and DVD players, nothing else. In 2008, right at the end of the year, we bought a BluRay player and earlier in 2008 we got Netflix.
The tuner was built into the TV. You just had to plug in an antenna into the TV and search for channels.
In the 1990s that was the case. Has not been for a very long time. I've owned a total of one TV in my life that had a tuner, and I only had possession of it for about one year, and it was a CRT. I owned that around 1998.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
No OTA TV?
I've not had access to that since 1994. You need a TV, a tuner, and an antenna to do that. I've owned a TV most of the time since 1994, but only most, far from all. I've never owned either of the other two, ever. I've never owned a VCR (my parents did, but not me) ever. From 1994 - 2008 I owned Laserdisc players and DVD players, nothing else. In 2008, right at the end of the year, we bought a BluRay player and earlier in 2008 we got Netflix.
The tuner was built into the TV. You just had to plug in an antenna into the TV and search for channels.
In the 1990s that was the case. Has not been for a very long time. I've owned a total of one TV in my life that had a tuner, and I only had possession of it for about one year, and it was a CRT. I owned that around 1998.
Ohhh...that sucked.
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@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
No OTA TV?
I've not had access to that since 1994. You need a TV, a tuner, and an antenna to do that. I've owned a TV most of the time since 1994, but only most, far from all. I've never owned either of the other two, ever. I've never owned a VCR (my parents did, but not me) ever. From 1994 - 2008 I owned Laserdisc players and DVD players, nothing else. In 2008, right at the end of the year, we bought a BluRay player and earlier in 2008 we got Netflix.
The tuner was built into the TV. You just had to plug in an antenna into the TV and search for channels.
In the 1990s that was the case. Has not been for a very long time. I've owned a total of one TV in my life that had a tuner, and I only had possession of it for about one year, and it was a CRT. I owned that around 1998.
Ohhh...that sucked.
Not at all, I detest traditional television. I could have bought a TV, I had a $17K audio system, and a nice townhouse. I could have bought an antenna. I could have afforded cable. But I actively don't want that in my life. And any time I've been exposed to "just watch whatever is on" since that time, I've confirmed that I made the right choice.
My wife comes from a "the TV is always on, you always have premium cable and you always watch stuff" family, and she feels the same way. We really dislike the idea of watching "whatever is on."
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I only had that one TV for a year because I traded it on a non-tuner bigger screen projection system. Not because Iike dropped it or anything.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
No OTA TV?
I've not had access to that since 1994. You need a TV, a tuner, and an antenna to do that. I've owned a TV most of the time since 1994, but only most, far from all. I've never owned either of the other two, ever. I've never owned a VCR (my parents did, but not me) ever. From 1994 - 2008 I owned Laserdisc players and DVD players, nothing else. In 2008, right at the end of the year, we bought a BluRay player and earlier in 2008 we got Netflix.
The tuner was built into the TV. You just had to plug in an antenna into the TV and search for channels.
In the 1990s that was the case. Has not been for a very long time. I've owned a total of one TV in my life that had a tuner, and I only had possession of it for about one year, and it was a CRT. I owned that around 1998.
I would certainly argue such a blanket statement like that. Until very recently almost every TV that you buy retail has had a tuner. In the last 2-3 years it has become common to have TV's without a tuner, but before that it was extremely rare.
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@jaredbusch said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
No OTA TV?
I've not had access to that since 1994. You need a TV, a tuner, and an antenna to do that. I've owned a TV most of the time since 1994, but only most, far from all. I've never owned either of the other two, ever. I've never owned a VCR (my parents did, but not me) ever. From 1994 - 2008 I owned Laserdisc players and DVD players, nothing else. In 2008, right at the end of the year, we bought a BluRay player and earlier in 2008 we got Netflix.
The tuner was built into the TV. You just had to plug in an antenna into the TV and search for channels.
In the 1990s that was the case. Has not been for a very long time. I've owned a total of one TV in my life that had a tuner, and I only had possession of it for about one year, and it was a CRT. I owned that around 1998.
I would certainly argue such a blanket statement like that. Until very recently almost every TV that you buy retail has had a tuner. In the last 2-3 years it has become common to have TV's without a tuner, but before that it was extremely rare.
Not at all, when they went to LCDs, the big screens were always without tuners. I've been buying "displays" for a long time, and have never gotten one with a tuner, and it wasn't because of any effort. It's just not something that was common in large flat panels. Available, yes, but not the norm. Pre-HD, yes, old SD TVs were required to come with tuners. HDs were not, and mostly did not as it was an expensive part and had compatibility problems. That's why external tuners were such a big products in the 2000s.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@jaredbusch said in YouTube TV:
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@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
No OTA TV?
I've not had access to that since 1994. You need a TV, a tuner, and an antenna to do that. I've owned a TV most of the time since 1994, but only most, far from all. I've never owned either of the other two, ever. I've never owned a VCR (my parents did, but not me) ever. From 1994 - 2008 I owned Laserdisc players and DVD players, nothing else. In 2008, right at the end of the year, we bought a BluRay player and earlier in 2008 we got Netflix.
The tuner was built into the TV. You just had to plug in an antenna into the TV and search for channels.
In the 1990s that was the case. Has not been for a very long time. I've owned a total of one TV in my life that had a tuner, and I only had possession of it for about one year, and it was a CRT. I owned that around 1998.
I would certainly argue such a blanket statement like that. Until very recently almost every TV that you buy retail has had a tuner. In the last 2-3 years it has become common to have TV's without a tuner, but before that it was extremely rare.
Not at all, when they went to LCDs, the big screens were always without tuners. I've been buying "displays" for a long time, and have never gotten one with a tuner, and it wasn't because of any effort. It's just not something that was common in large flat panels. Available, yes, but not the norm. Pre-HD, yes, old SD TVs were required to come with tuners. HDs were not, and mostly did not as it was an expensive part and had compatibility problems. That's why external tuners were such a big products in the 2000s.
Totally not actuate. External tuners were big in the 2000's because of the switch to digital OTA and people had to buy tuners because their existing TVs did not have a built in tuner that worked with digital OTA.
Yes, you have always been able to buy displays (ie no tuner), but no it is not the most common device in the store, it was rare until recently and even now it is still not the majority.
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@jaredbusch said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@jaredbusch said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
No OTA TV?
I've not had access to that since 1994. You need a TV, a tuner, and an antenna to do that. I've owned a TV most of the time since 1994, but only most, far from all. I've never owned either of the other two, ever. I've never owned a VCR (my parents did, but not me) ever. From 1994 - 2008 I owned Laserdisc players and DVD players, nothing else. In 2008, right at the end of the year, we bought a BluRay player and earlier in 2008 we got Netflix.
The tuner was built into the TV. You just had to plug in an antenna into the TV and search for channels.
In the 1990s that was the case. Has not been for a very long time. I've owned a total of one TV in my life that had a tuner, and I only had possession of it for about one year, and it was a CRT. I owned that around 1998.
I would certainly argue such a blanket statement like that. Until very recently almost every TV that you buy retail has had a tuner. In the last 2-3 years it has become common to have TV's without a tuner, but before that it was extremely rare.
Not at all, when they went to LCDs, the big screens were always without tuners. I've been buying "displays" for a long time, and have never gotten one with a tuner, and it wasn't because of any effort. It's just not something that was common in large flat panels. Available, yes, but not the norm. Pre-HD, yes, old SD TVs were required to come with tuners. HDs were not, and mostly did not as it was an expensive part and had compatibility problems. That's why external tuners were such a big products in the 2000s.
Totally not actuate. External tuners were big in the 2000's because of the switch to digital OTA and people had to buy tuners because their existing TVs did not have a built in tuner that worked with digital OTA.
Yes, you have always been able to buy displays (ie no tuner), but no it is not the most common device in the store, it was rare until recently and even now it is still not the majority.
That's also true, but people with existing pre-HD TVs weren't buying new. New HDs in that time frame rarely had tuners, especially as they were out before the tuner standards existed.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
The weekly schedule keep some shows semi synced for us.. i.e. NCIS is on Tuesdays. If we are both home, we watch it 30 mins after it starts so we can skip the commercials. If either of us is gone, the one that's home will wait until both people are available. Rarely do we need to wait more than 2 days.
So keep that schedule, easy peasy.
lol - HAHAHA yeah... you know binging doesn't work like that.
Right, so don't binge. Again, all I'm hearing is you saying "I'm paying someone to make my options bad so that I can't do things the way that I want to."
Things I don't understand are...
- Why does arbitrarily paying someone to make your options suck make things better?
- Why does paying for cable make you not treat your DVR like Netflix?
- Why do you want the end result if you clearly don't like the end result?
None of it makes sense to me. You are willing to pay to make things worse so that you have to do things in a way you'd never do if you hadn't figured out how to be stuck in that mode, except you aren't stuck, so it makes even less sense.
I continue to hear what you are saying - and please understand this before anything else - I am likely killing cable very soon.
Having a show to binge, all the shows are just there, basically kills the schedule. You might be the type to set down and do a ridged schedule like that, but I am not. I will be frustrated for a whole new reason upon moving to the now 9 month delay access to a show. I'm so irked by this delay that I haven't even bothered to watch Game of Thrones because I'll hate waiting months and months before the new season.
When House of cards dropped on Netflix, I thought it was kinda cool - bam binge watch awesome, no waiting... but after 2-5 days of watching, now I get to wait 12 months for the next installment. That's to long for me personally.
At this point, I'll wait until Game of Thrones is in it's declared last season, then binge watch it for a few weeks and be done with it.
This is a ME issue, I know this. I can "fix" it by following your guide, watching one episode a week - but again, when the whole thing is sitting there in front of me, that's not me either.
Yep, this entire conversation is a pretty stupid, opinion based, nothing matters conversation.
As for the water cooler, yeah that portion has been dead for me for a long while.. so it's off the consideration plate.
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
Having a show to binge, all the shows are just there, basically kills the schedule. You might be the type to set down and do a ridged schedule like that, but I am not.
This is what I'm saying. I hear you, and I'm just translating... you are paying someone to take away the binge option. You have the willpower to pay someone to take away the way that you want to watch television and force you to watch it in a way you like less.
What I don't understand is... if you like it less, why do it?
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
I'm so irked by this delay that I haven't even bothered to watch Game of Thrones because I'll hate waiting months and months before the new season.
I totally get this, I mentioned this to Dominica an hour ago. I won't normally start a show until I know that it is completed and available. Stranger Things is an exception because I trust Netflix to make it to completion. I want to know that an entire show is written, filmed, and available before I typically start it. I don't want it to end halfway if I like it and be frustrated. And I am not willing to wait a long time to finish it.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
No OTA TV?
I've not had access to that since 1994. You need a TV, a tuner, and an antenna to do that. I've owned a TV most of the time since 1994, but only most, far from all. I've never owned either of the other two, ever. I've never owned a VCR (my parents did, but not me) ever. From 1994 - 2008 I owned Laserdisc players and DVD players, nothing else. In 2008, right at the end of the year, we bought a BluRay player and earlier in 2008 we got Netflix.
The tuner was built into the TV. You just had to plug in an antenna into the TV and search for channels.
In the 1990s that was the case. Has not been for a very long time. I've owned a total of one TV in my life that had a tuner, and I only had possession of it for about one year, and it was a CRT. I owned that around 1998.
Ohhh...that sucked.
Not at all, I detest traditional television. I could have bought a TV, I had a $17K audio system, and a nice townhouse. I could have bought an antenna. I could have afforded cable. But I actively don't want that in my life. And any time I've been exposed to "just watch whatever is on" since that time, I've confirmed that I made the right choice.
My wife comes from a "the TV is always on, you always have premium cable and you always watch stuff" family, and she feels the same way. We really dislike the idea of watching "whatever is on."
So you don't own a TV today? Assuming you have a large screen to display on, you have either a Vizio or a projector (only mainstream options I'm aware of that don't have built in tuners - though, you had a $17K audio system, so it's definitely possible you have some other brand monitor that doesn't have a built in tuner.
