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@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
https://xenserver.org/blog/entry/xenserver-7-3-changes-to-the-free-edition.html
As predicted, the product is dead.
It seems alive if we pay for the standard or enterprise.
That's what I said... dead. Citrix doesn't believe in it anymore.
Here's a quote from that site.
I suspect many readers will be asking "why?". We have thousands of customers who trust XenServer to host their workloads, and we need to make sure we can invest in the product for them. Of the many thousands of customers using the Free edition, we hope that those using it for large deployments (and likely to be using the features above) will consider purchasing a subscription to enable access not just to the features above, but also the patch/hotfix stream for each release for an extended period (roughly 7 months from release versus 3 months for Free users), access to Long Term Service Releases (up to 10 years of maintenance) and support services from Citrix.I realise that this news will be difficult for people who make use of the Free edition of XenServer in larger environments. We have looked carefully at how the revised Free edition compares to other free virtualisation platforms on the market, and concluded that even with this change, XenServer's free feature set is still great for small deployments or home labs. Evidently Citrix will continue to add functionality to all three editions in the future: as you can see from 7.3 release notes, there is plenty going on!
Why try justifying a bold move like that?
That logic is based on the need to make more money, but they just did a move that we suspect will cost them money by making people question the viability and dedication to the platform.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dbeato said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
https://xenserver.org/blog/entry/xenserver-7-3-changes-to-the-free-edition.html
As predicted, the product is dead.
It seems alive if we pay for the standard or enterprise.
That's what I said... dead. Citrix doesn't believe in it anymore.
It might not be that, they might just want a profit. Basically they will loose a lot of implementations because of it
Although it is kinda like VMware Doesn't seem that way. This isn't how you sell software. This is how you phase it out.
So Vmware is doing that? There are many restrictions on the free version?
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@dbeato said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@dbeato said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
https://xenserver.org/blog/entry/xenserver-7-3-changes-to-the-free-edition.html
As predicted, the product is dead.
It seems alive if we pay for the standard or enterprise.
That's what I said... dead. Citrix doesn't believe in it anymore.
It might not be that, they might just want a profit. Basically they will loose a lot of implementations because of it
Although it is kinda like VMware Doesn't seem that way. This isn't how you sell software. This is how you phase it out.
So Vmware is doing that? There are many restrictions on the free version?
Although VMware might have had the free version like that always, so my argument might not hold.
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@dbeato said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dbeato said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
https://xenserver.org/blog/entry/xenserver-7-3-changes-to-the-free-edition.html
As predicted, the product is dead.
It seems alive if we pay for the standard or enterprise.
That's what I said... dead. Citrix doesn't believe in it anymore.
It might not be that, they might just want a profit. Basically they will loose a lot of implementations because of it
Although it is kinda like VMware Doesn't seem that way. This isn't how you sell software. This is how you phase it out.
So Vmware is doing that? There are many restrictions on the free version?
VMware removed some of there restriction but Citrix is removing features that was already available.
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I wonder how difficult it would be to build XS from source. Wouldn't that give you all of the features without any licensing restrictions?
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@danp said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I wonder how difficult it would be to build XS from source. Wouldn't that give you all of the features without any licensing restrictions?
That's the theory.
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basically we need XCP back.
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I wonder if on a basic openSuse leap 42.3 install with Xen, if XAPI could just be installed there?
https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/virtualization/book.virt_color_en.pdf
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@danp said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Doesn't look very active..... which is my general feeling about XAPI. I feel like it's been forgotten about and the market is moving on past it.
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So with that news about XenServer what alternatives do we have for "production" work loads?
Go back to Esxi?
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@hobbit666 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Or is KVM production ready (I've not even touched this yet, but plan to ASAP)
Yes it's production ready.
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And Hyper-V
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@hobbit666 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
So with that news about XenServer what alternatives do we have for "production" work loads?
Go back to Esxi?
Or is KVM production ready (I've not even touched this yet, but plan to ASAP)ESXi is the last choice. The short list remains KVM, Xen, and Hyper-V. XenServer apparently collapsing doesn't impact the list.
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@hobbit666 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Or is KVM production ready (I've not even touched this yet, but plan to ASAP)
KVM is as production ready as it gets. It's what Amazon is turning to, to replace Xen. It's what we are talking on now. Now that Xen has lost the cloud battle, the entire production ready cloud world is on KVM. Every cloud that you've ever heard of is KVM today (except the one really crappy one that is on Hyper-V and it shows why KVM is more production ready.)
KVM is older than Hyper-V, it was production ready around the time Hyper-V was first announced. KVM has been in production since the mid-2000s. It's been in the mainline kernel for over a decade.
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I wouldn't consider ESXi -- paying for a hypervisor is dumb. It only makes sense to pay for VMWare in three scenarios:
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You don't know anything about Virtualization, cannot support it, don't know what you are doing, don't have the time to support it, etc...
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You have hundreds or thousands of hypervisors that you need expert support for around the clock and can afford to pay for that support.
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You need a niche feature that only VMWare provides and are willing to pay tons of cash for it.
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Of KVM and Hyper-V... I'm really starting to lean away from it (Hyper-V). I'm getting tired of its crap.
I'm still using it in production because Hyper-V Replication is a need, which I'm working on accomplishing with KVM.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
https://xenserver.org/blog/entry/xenserver-7-3-changes-to-the-free-edition.html
As predicted, the product is dead.
It seems alive if we pay for the standard or enterprise.
That's what I said... dead. Citrix doesn't believe in it anymore.
Uh, you literally just removed features. How about just not removing them, then you don't need to add anything......
