The Ultimate KVM setup
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@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@jaredbusch said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@tim_g said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
Also to piss off MOAR ppl
Centos is the best due stability and boy I love the LTS
And Fedora is just desktop os that evolved into the server area and if there is really smart guys that want to use it as an server os be my guest. Please pave the way with your beta testing and downstream to centos . I have choosen my side.
What packages are you using on CentOS LTS that break on Fedora Server?
It is the constant updates and fiddling around, didn't Scott had Fedora issue with storage recently ... I rest my case
That had nothing to do with Fedora. Did you not bother to read the thread?
But i have gut feeling with centos it wouldn't happen. But let us stop with this personal choice even though it is clear what is the good choice and just look and appreciate the ultimate KVM set-up
CentOS uses inodes too. Every Distro uses inodes.
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@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@coliver said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
And Fedora is just desktop os that evolved into the server area and if there is really smart guys that want to use it as an server os be my guest. Please pave the way with your beta testing and downstream to centos . I have choosen my side.
You have a serious misunderstanding of the Fedora/RHEL/CentOS relationship if you believe this is true.
I won't deny that, it can get confusing.
Not really. Fedora is the base of both RHEL and CentOS. It's the regular release vs the RHEL LTS. If you're calling Fedora not fit to be on a server that means that both RHEL and CentOS are both equally unfit.
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@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
No no no
It is 2 centos minimal install with kvm
No guiAnd 1 Fedora with lxqt spin with Virt Manager
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@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
If a tool is needed, why would it be wasted resources? I get what you are trying to get at here, but a tool is a tool is a tool.
If you need a GUI to do something (whatever it is) and it's the best approach "you" know then why bash the tool?
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@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
If a tool is needed, why would it be wasted resources? I get what you are trying to get at here, but a tool is a tool is a tool.
If you need a GUI to do something (whatever it is) and it's the best approach "you" know then why bash the tool?
So my old users who say they can't operate a computer shouldn't learn the right way to file things digitally. We should be okay with her using paper because she understands that? I understand what you're saying, but how far down that rabbit hole do we go?
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@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
The Virt-Manager is being hosted either on a VM or on a desktop. It's not being hosted as part of the hypervisor. Think SCVMM, Hyper-V Manager, XenCenter, or vCenter.
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@coliver said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
The Virt-Manager is being hosted either on a VM or on a desktop. It's not being hosted as part of the hypervisor. Think SCVMM, Hyper-V Manager, XenCenter, or vCenter.
Ah. Thanks
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@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
If a tool is needed, why would it be wasted resources? I get what you are trying to get at here, but a tool is a tool is a tool.
If you need a GUI to do something (whatever it is) and it's the best approach "you" know then why bash the tool?
So my old users who say they can't operate a computer shouldn't learn the right way to file things digitally. We should be okay with her using paper because she understands that? I understand what you're saying, but how far down that rabbit hole do we go?
Why would your user be the administrator of the computer? Why are CLI's the golden child tool, and GUI's are the bastard tools?
My point is it's a tool to be used, why not use it if it's available?
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@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
If a tool is needed, why would it be wasted resources? I get what you are trying to get at here, but a tool is a tool is a tool.
If you need a GUI to do something (whatever it is) and it's the best approach "you" know then why bash the tool?
So my old users who say they can't operate a computer shouldn't learn the right way to file things digitally. We should be okay with her using paper because she understands that? I understand what you're saying, but how far down that rabbit hole do we go?
Why would your user be the administrator of the computer? Why are CLI's the golden child tool, and GUI's are the bastard tools?
My point is it's a tool to be used, why not use it if it's available?
It's just an argument for learning the most efficient/best way to do things. I have a lot of failures and some successes with my learning, but I am learning how to do things in the most efficient way I can.
Example: We could start installing hyper-v as a role because i don't know powershell, but the reality is i should learn powershell to manage hyper-v anyway.
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@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
If a tool is needed, why would it be wasted resources? I get what you are trying to get at here, but a tool is a tool is a tool.
If you need a GUI to do something (whatever it is) and it's the best approach "you" know then why bash the tool?
So my old users who say they can't operate a computer shouldn't learn the right way to file things digitally. We should be okay with her using paper because she understands that? I understand what you're saying, but how far down that rabbit hole do we go?
Why would your user be the administrator of the computer? Why are CLI's the golden child tool, and GUI's are the bastard tools?
My point is it's a tool to be used, why not use it if it's available?
It's just an argument for learning the most efficient/best way to do things. I have a lot of failures and some successes with my learning, but I am learning how to do things in the most efficient way I can.
We could start installing hyper-v as a role because i don't know powershell, but the reality is i should learn powershell to manage hyper-v anyway.
The argument is flawed though.
Tools are only meant to make the process efficient. You're stating that using a GUI is counter efficiency. Which in terms of resources required to use the GUI, makes sense.
But the GUI it's self is there to eliminate wasted time remembering powershell (and human error) by providing a button to start a specific VM etc.
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@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
If a tool is needed, why would it be wasted resources? I get what you are trying to get at here, but a tool is a tool is a tool.
If you need a GUI to do something (whatever it is) and it's the best approach "you" know then why bash the tool?
So my old users who say they can't operate a computer shouldn't learn the right way to file things digitally. We should be okay with her using paper because she understands that? I understand what you're saying, but how far down that rabbit hole do we go?
Why would your user be the administrator of the computer? Why are CLI's the golden child tool, and GUI's are the bastard tools?
My point is it's a tool to be used, why not use it if it's available?
It's just an argument for learning the most efficient/best way to do things. I have a lot of failures and some successes with my learning, but I am learning how to do things in the most efficient way I can.
We could start installing hyper-v as a role because i don't know powershell, but the reality is i should learn powershell to manage hyper-v anyway.
The argument is flawed though.
Tools are only meant to make the process efficient. You're stating that using a GUI is counter efficiency. Which in terms of resources required to use the GUI, makes sense.
But the GUI it's self is there to eliminate wasted time remembering powershell (and human error) by providing a button to start a specific VM etc.
I guess it turns into an argument of what is worth more: your resources or your time? It would be on a case by case basis, but I'm sure that you would be correct in some cases.
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@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
e GUI it's self is there to eliminate wasted time remembering powershell (and human error)
BUT I am using GUI i am just moving it away of the KVM host, and giving the KVM host one role only, instead of
Web server
PHP/Python
Node JSAnd those stuff that KIMCHI use
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@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
e GUI it's self is there to eliminate wasted time remembering powershell (and human error)
BUT I am using GUI i am just moving it away of the KVM host, and giving the KVM host one role only, instead of
Web server
PHP/Python
NodeAnd those stuff, that other tools will use like KIMCHI
I'll put this in my test environment and check it out. Thanks
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I'm starting to think that Emad has gone full blown Curtis here.
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Fixed some typos and made it more clearer article. Also posted 2 Centos logos for dominance.
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I always thought it was Fedora > RedHat > CentOS.
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@black3dynamite said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I always thought it was Fedora > RedHat > CentOS.
It is. Fedora is the original. RH is more or less a frozen version of Fedora. CentOS is a code recompile of RH.
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@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
If a tool is needed, why would it be wasted resources? I get what you are trying to get at here, but a tool is a tool is a tool.
If you need a GUI to do something (whatever it is) and it's the best approach "you" know then why bash the tool?
So my old users who say they can't operate a computer shouldn't learn the right way to file things digitally. We should be okay with her using paper because she understands that? I understand what you're saying, but how far down that rabbit hole do we go?
Why would your user be the administrator of the computer? Why are CLI's the golden child tool, and GUI's are the bastard tools?
My point is it's a tool to be used, why not use it if it's available?
It's just an argument for learning the most efficient/best way to do things. I have a lot of failures and some successes with my learning, but I am learning how to do things in the most efficient way I can.
We could start installing hyper-v as a role because i don't know powershell, but the reality is i should learn powershell to manage hyper-v anyway.
The argument is flawed though.
Tools are only meant to make the process efficient. You're stating that using a GUI is counter efficiency. Which in terms of resources required to use the GUI, makes sense.
But the GUI it's self is there to eliminate wasted time remembering powershell (and human error) by providing a button to start a specific VM etc.
That's what scripts are for...
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@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
e GUI it's self is there to eliminate wasted time remembering powershell (and human error)
BUT I am using GUI i am just moving it away of the KVM host, and giving the KVM host one role only, instead of
Web server
PHP/Python
Node JSAnd those stuff that KIMCHI use
Kimchi and all the stuff it requires to run barely uses any resources. We're talking tens of megabytes, almost no CPU, barely any RAM. I'm not using any 15-year-old servers, so they can all handle that tiny extra bit without it having any impact whatsoever on running VMs or the host.
I do agree with installing the web services on a separate device on the perimeter network if setting it up to be accessed from the internet, and having that connected to your Host via another NIC. But I highly recommend keeping selinux enabled. I don't see why everyone always disables that. I always keep selinux and firewall enabled, even on internal-only servers. Banks don't only lock the front door and keep the vault open. They lock both.
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@tim_g said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
e GUI it's self is there to eliminate wasted time remembering powershell (and human error)
BUT I am using GUI i am just moving it away of the KVM host, and giving the KVM host one role only, instead of
Web server
PHP/Python
Node JSAnd those stuff that KIMCHI use
Kimchi and all the stuff it requires to run barely uses any resources. We're talking tens of megabytes, almost no CPU, barely any RAM. I'm not using any 15-year-old servers, so they can all handle that tiny extra bit without it having any impact whatsoever on running VMs or the host.
I do agree with installing the web services on a separate device on the perimeter network if setting it up to be accessed from the internet, and having that connected to your Host via another NIC. But I highly recommend keeping selinux enabled. I don't see why everyone always disables that. I always keep selinux and firewall enabled, even on internal-only servers. Banks don't only lock the front door and keep the vault open. They lock both.
Then why did you permanently set it to permissive for
httpd_tin your guide?
