LinkedIn: How Much Do You Use It?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@ajstringham said:
That is implied when joining any site, including this one. ML could take my email and info and, unless I've told them otherwise, use it how they see fit, as long as it's not illegal or destructive.You inherently agree to that when you register on any site.Misrepresentation is always unlawful. Claiming that my data represents my statements of where I have worked is untrue. You can collect data. You can't misrepresent it.
I agree that it's unlawful but how do they misrepresent data? You fill in
- work history
- job descriptions
- accomplishments in life, work, education
All those are things that go on a resume. Besides, LinkedIn isn't adding information to what you put. They haven't gone on my profile and added that I graduated medical school to make me look better. They take what you give them and arrange it in a pretty fashion. No misrepresentation of the facts, just making the display a bit more flashy.
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@ajstringham said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@ajstringham said:
That is implied when joining any site, including this one. ML could take my email and info and, unless I've told them otherwise, use it how they see fit, as long as it's not illegal or destructive.You inherently agree to that when you register on any site.Misrepresentation is always unlawful. Claiming that my data represents my statements of where I have worked is untrue. You can collect data. You can't misrepresent it.
I agree that it's unlawful but how do they misrepresent data? You fill in
- work history
- job descriptions
- accomplishments in life, work, education
All those are things that go on a resume. Besides, LinkedIn isn't adding information to what you put. They haven't gone on my profile and added that I graduated medical school to make me look better. They take what you give them and arrange it in a pretty fashion. No misrepresentation of the facts, just making the display a bit more flashy.
They present it as that, but you had to fill in "how do you know people" at the time. You can see that I didn't fill in work history, that was obvious.
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And yes, I presented this breach of ethics when I spoke to LinkedIn directly to. They are a horrid company.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@ajstringham said:
You are right though. If I saw something I knew wasn't right on your LinkedIn, I could say something about it. But that's just the whole verification by a community. Besides, you can lie if you want on there. It'll be about as productive, and possibly worse, than lying on your resume. I see where you're coming from but your angle is skewed.
Is it? Or is yours? Your view is based off of data that would have looked normal when collected but now looks skewed because the way it is presented is false. LinkedIn has lied and you feel that my data looks "wrong on a resume". Why would you think it was resume or resume-esqe? I was never told that. It's not me that is skewed. You see LinkedIn as how they want you to see it now, not how it was when the data was input.
Ok, so tell me this. You said it was supposed to be the "business Facebook". Ok, so you have businesses/employers marketing to each other and to current and future employees. That sounds a lot like a job fair, where I always bring my resumes. When I filled in my profile several years ago, I knew what the purpose was. I still think you're hung up on the fact that, and I can't say this for certain as I wasn't a member yet, LinkedIn changed their objective. Even if they did, people who didn't like the new direction have the opportunity to withdraw from the site/remove their account. At THAT point, when willing registration has been revoked, LinkedIn can't touch their data anymore. If they stay on, they are consenting to the new direction it's going and again, we have no issue.
I don't see where this misrepresented data-mining idea is coming from. I'm willing to listen. Going off what you said though, no matter how you slice it, people who want to be there will be and those who don't can leave. If they just don't use the account and never remove it, that's on the user, not LinkedIn, anymore than letting a credit card that had been used but you weren't going to use anymore not get paid and just sit there accruing interest and penalties each month. It's not Discover's fault or Visa's fault. It'd be the cardholder's. Same story.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@ajstringham said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@ajstringham said:
That is implied when joining any site, including this one. ML could take my email and info and, unless I've told them otherwise, use it how they see fit, as long as it's not illegal or destructive.You inherently agree to that when you register on any site.Misrepresentation is always unlawful. Claiming that my data represents my statements of where I have worked is untrue. You can collect data. You can't misrepresent it.
I agree that it's unlawful but how do they misrepresent data? You fill in
- work history
- job descriptions
- accomplishments in life, work, education
All those are things that go on a resume. Besides, LinkedIn isn't adding information to what you put. They haven't gone on my profile and added that I graduated medical school to make me look better. They take what you give them and arrange it in a pretty fashion. No misrepresentation of the facts, just making the display a bit more flashy.
They present it as that, but you had to fill in "how do you know people" at the time. You can see that I didn't fill in work history, that was obvious.
Business. Connections. People. When they ask how you know people, they are partly trying to search for others who have NTG as their employer and partly helping to filter spammers. Just imagine for a minute if there was no verification on LinkedIn. The way you've talked so far, all the verification is bad. Ok, so we rip all that out. Suddenly, a place that was, as you said, supposed to be business-minded and in a business atmosphere, it now has people on it equivalent to the people on Facebook who have 2,000 friends, most of whom they don't know but a friend's friend's friend's friend's uncle's sister knows. It falls into chaos and is now no different, in any way, from Facebook. That verification can be irritating but it's a necessary part of keeping business community separate from Facebook community.
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@ajstringham said:
So a couple months ago I updated my LinkedIn profile page so that it didn't, well, suck. It was pretty deplorable before but now it's quite good. I have a link to a Youtube video of my presentation at Spiceworld Austin 2013, a scanned in copy of one of my letters from the President's office at Staples and tons of other stuff. It has been working, as far as people noticing. A large number of the job recruiters who contact me find me on LinkedIn. I didn't used to see the value in it but, as of late, I have. Has anyone had any amazing experiences because of it? I actually am focusing on keep it looking good and adding as much as I can to it.
If anyone wants to connect, here's me: https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=165398934
Connection request sent. I don't use LinkedIn but am interested in any tool that can get me a better job, so need to look into it. I really don't know what @scottalanmiller's beef is. Social networks adapt and evolve. Facebook was originally a way to connect Harvard students together, it's now a way for Coca Cola to advertise to farmers in Namibia. Who cares? If you don't like what's it become why don't you just delete your profile? I don't get it.
As an introvert, social networks really don't appeal to me - business or social. I've never had someone offer me a job on LinkedIn and most of the connection requests I get are from people trying to sell me something, which has no appeal whatsoever.
Any tips on making it work for me would be most appreciated. I guess you need to join a few groups? I joined a virtualisation one, but it was pretty poor compared with the Spiceworks forum, so never bothered with it.
Regards
Carnival Boy
Son of Chartered Accountant, Author and University Lecturer 1972-2014 (42 years). -
@Carnival-Boy said:
business or social. I've never had someone offer me a job on LinkedIn and most of the connection requests I get are from people trying to sell me something, which has no appeal whatsoever.
The groups are a joke. If you use it just to keep up with pro's you've networked with in the past and need to reference them quickly, LinkedIn is good for that. For me, it replaced the business card folder I had.
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I've found it good to catch-up with people I used to work with. I arranged to go out for a drink recently with a couple of old colleagues that I hadn't seen in over 20 years.
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I use it pretty regularly. I participate in a couple groups, and am an admin for the Spiceworks Users' group. I do use it as a living semi-resume, but only deal with that end of it periodically. It serves as a tickler for anyone that may be interested. It doesn't tell the whole story, though.
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I've been upvoting A.J.'s posts. What's wrong with me? checks for a fever
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Linked-In is a business-related networking platform. It's not social media, not in the sense of Facebook and its peers. It's not expressly a "recruiting" medium, but I could see some using it as such.
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@art_of_shred said:
Linked-In is a business-related networking platform. It's not social media, not in the sense of Facebook and its peers. It's not expressly a "recruiting" medium, but I could see some using it as such.
When it was started, they promoted it as their goal being closest to Facebook, but for business people, not friends. Early on their features were nearly identical. Since then, Facebook has added tons like the instant messaging. But once upon a time, they were quite comparable. It was primarily the marketing that set them apart.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I've found it good to catch-up with people I used to work with. I arranged to go out for a drink recently with a couple of old colleagues that I hadn't seen in over 20 years.
Yes, I like it as a rolodex of people that I barely know but just might need to find again.
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@Bill-Kindle said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
business or social. I've never had someone offer me a job on LinkedIn and most of the connection requests I get are from people trying to sell me something, which has no appeal whatsoever.
The groups are a joke. If you use it just to keep up with pro's you've networked with in the past and need to reference them quickly, LinkedIn is good for that. For me, it replaced the business card folder I had.
The groups really are useless. I've tried them and they are awful.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Connection request sent. I don't use LinkedIn but am interested in any tool that can get me a better job, so need to look into it. I really don't know what @scottalanmiller's beef is. Social networks adapt and evolve.
It's not that they change, it's that the took my data and misrepresented it. Now data that I put in having nothing to do with it being a resume is shown as if that is my resume (this whole conversation started because AJ mistook that data for my resume, read what he said.... that he thinks that this was somehow my resume data is exactly the problem.) That the site changes is fine. That they change and act like we had signed up for their spam and scam recruiting service to misrepresent those of us who tried them early on, is not okay.
This is a case of misrepresentation and dishonesty (I've had LinkedIn straight up lie to me on the phone, it seems to be endemic to the corporate culture there from what I have seen.)
LinkedIn is, today, more than anything just a non-SMTP spam platform.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@ajstringham said:
So a couple months ago I updated my LinkedIn profile page so that it didn't, well, suck. It was pretty deplorable before but now it's quite good. I have a link to a Youtube video of my presentation at Spiceworld Austin 2013, a scanned in copy of one of my letters from the President's office at Staples and tons of other stuff. It has been working, as far as people noticing. A large number of the job recruiters who contact me find me on LinkedIn. I didn't used to see the value in it but, as of late, I have. Has anyone had any amazing experiences because of it? I actually am focusing on keep it looking good and adding as much as I can to it.
If anyone wants to connect, here's me: https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=165398934
Connection request sent. I don't use LinkedIn but am interested in any tool that can get me a better job, so need to look into it. I really don't know what @scottalanmiller's beef is. Social networks adapt and evolve. Facebook was originally a way to connect Harvard students together, it's now a way for Coca Cola to advertise to farmers in Namibia. Who cares? If you don't like what's it become why don't you just delete your profile? I don't get it.
As an introvert, social networks really don't appeal to me - business or social. I've never had someone offer me a job on LinkedIn and most of the connection requests I get are from people trying to sell me something, which has no appeal whatsoever.
Any tips on making it work for me would be most appreciated. I guess you need to join a few groups? I joined a virtualisation one, but it was pretty poor compared with the Spiceworks forum, so never bothered with it.
Regards
Carnival Boy
Son of Chartered Accountant, Author and University Lecturer 1972-2014 (42 years).Mine didn't do me any good until I really filled it out completely. More info the better. Recruiters search based on criteria, so the more info you put on there, the higher your chances that your info falls into that criteria. We're connected so go ahead and check out mine.
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@alexntg said:
I've been upvoting A.J.'s posts. What's wrong with me? checks for a fever
What's the matter? How is you and I agreeing such a...never mind, I need to get in to see a doctor now...
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
Connection request sent. I don't use LinkedIn but am interested in any tool that can get me a better job, so need to look into it. I really don't know what @scottalanmiller's beef is. Social networks adapt and evolve.
It's not that they change, it's that the took my data and misrepresented it. Now data that I put in having nothing to do with it being a resume is shown as if that is my resume (this whole conversation started because AJ mistook that data for my resume, read what he said.... that he thinks that this was somehow my resume data is exactly the problem.) That the site changes is fine. That they change and act like we had signed up for their spam and scam recruiting service to misrepresent those of us who tried them early on, is not okay.
This is a case of misrepresentation and dishonesty (I've had LinkedIn straight up lie to me on the phone, it seems to be endemic to the corporate culture there from what I have seen.)
LinkedIn is, today, more than anything just a non-SMTP spam platform.
I agree the groups, etc are useless. They changed, thank you for acknowledging that. Lastly, if you don't want their "spam and scam recruiting service", point the finger back at yourself. You have an account. You deliberately have no deleted it. If you want to complain, don't sit there and say how awful this site is and what a scam it is and how it's not anything like what they were going to do originally and yet still maintain your account on there. Even if it's not up-to-date, the fact you leave it on the site shows you consent to their "using" any data you have put up and that they can send you emails, etc. unless you say otherwise.
I'm sorry Scott. I get what you're going for, but the fact that you don't see LinkedIn as a resume of any sorts doesn't mean that 95% of the rest of the world who does use it DOES see it as either a full-blown resume or at least, like Alex said, a tickler, in which case it's a semi-resume.
Bottom line: if you don't like it, leave. Otherwise, you have no right complain at all. Zero.
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I deleted mine a few years ago. Never saw a purpose to it and it was in an effort to decrease my "social' network presence.
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In the end, LinkedIn is a tool. Not all tools ARE the tool for the job. And not all tools are good tools. A tool by itself is ineffective until someone who knows how to use it and when it should be implemented in trying to solve a problem.
