How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video
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@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
OK It's great you feel this way, but why? I'm not saying you are right or wrong, just asking why?
Using stand alone Hyper-V and not as role was a bit difficult for me, in Centos KVM or VMware ESXi I can do everything much quicker and more efficient and I can create some sort HA without being pushed to join Domain and have Active Directory, in order to use the migration or replication in Hyper-V your being pushed to have an AD. It seems MS knows that AD time have come to an end, and there are other methods where you can apply something similar to AD (saltstack) and they are up selling the features, if you want it you need to have AD.
This might be true - but really I don't think so. Instead I think that Hyper-V was released during a time when AD was still very present and integrated it. Over time, sadly might be a long time, we should see either MS move this to using something like Azure AD or nothing local at all.
Yh i know most companies have that, but lets imagine your starting from scratch what would you do ? is AD the first thing you setup ? I dont belive in being One Trick Pony, I used AD in the past and I fucking hated it, call me novice all you want at it, but I find salt stack much superior, thus I am steering away from solutions that forces me to use it.
I'll definitely grant you that the AD requirement for simplicity is a PITA, but there are many posts out there about how to get around that now, so I should be a bit simpler.
I don't think you can compare the use of Salt for endpoints (workstations or servers) to managing a VM host. I don't recall reading any posts around here of people using Salt for managing VM hosts, so you really can't (yet) compare that to AD itself.
One thing I'm really curious about though with regards to Salt - is centralized authentication? Is this even a concept? I have 20+ users who move to many different machines - I realize Salt can help make sure that all those endpoints have XYZ settings, etc on them, though I'm not sure if it's user aware. But settings don't setup authentication. I'm also guessing that Salt can be used to make local user accounts - so a poor man's centralized authentication could be had - update the users/passwords centrally via Salt - but what if users want to manage their own passwords? How would that sync between machines? But now I'm way off topic.
It is pretty much the same feeling I got when setting up Windows VPN role, everything pushes you to create/link it with AD to work properly and securely (at least in VPN role that is understable).
But when you create the Windows Deployment Role, to create windows machines over boot via LAN/DHCP that server role requires you to be linked to AD domain, does that make sense to you ?
Heck yes it makes sense - you're playing in MS's sandbox.
this role being linked with AD? regardless I use this role in my environment and it helps me and I generate machines installation not linked to AD.
I haven't used Windows Deployment since 2008, so I'm not sure how it works today.
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@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@tim_g
@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Oh and they provide the hyper v integration as cab file (guest agent):
windows6.x-hypervintegrationservices-x64.cab
I cant belive I complained when VIRT IO Tools was repackaged some time ago and they changed some folders in there ISO image, while MS gives you a .cab file and not even an executable.What do you mean? What VM are you trying to install? You shouldn't need any integration tools at all for any modern operating system on a VM. They come built in and are updated via Windows Update (if running Windows OS)
If you install RHEL or CentOS, you can download a Linux Integration Services .ISO if you need to. You simply run the ./install.sh file. All other modern Linux OSs already have the Hyper-V Integration built in to the kernel.
This is what i am talking about:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-US/help/3063109/hyper-v-integration-components-update-for-windows-virtual-machinesMethod 2: Microsoft Download Center
The following files are available for download from the Microsoft Download Center.
Operating system Update
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 R2 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 Download Download the package now.
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2008 R2 Download Download the package now.Go to the download, and it is all .cab files.
WTF are you talking about. This is not DVD media. You are doing it wrong from the beginning.
Ofcourse I know this is not DVD media, those are the Hyper-V agents that MS wants you to install on your guest machine, MS calls them Hyper-V integration components.
ESXi and KVM Virt IO all provides much better ways to get this installed on your guest machines, and dont provide you a dumb .cab file.
What's wrong with CAB files? Windows treats them like EXEs, OK not quite, but you can right click and install them. I'm assuming there's a command line to do the same.
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@dashrender said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@black3dynamite said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@black3dynamite said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Generation 2 only allows ISO
The ISO can be located on a physical CD. Just browse to it when selecting an ISO for your Gen2 VM.
In Gen1 VM Settings, you can select an image file or a physical CD/DVD drive.
In Gen2 VM Settings, you can select an image file only.In real, good IT environments this is a non issue, you would only use ISO, because you wouldn't be touching the hardware anyway, so you wouldn't be swapping physical disks out of the server.
I see this concern only being a hobby based thing, as @scottalanmiller would call it.
True, but just something I tested in my home lab, and cause it was home lab I faced it.
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@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@tim_g
@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Oh and they provide the hyper v integration as cab file (guest agent):
windows6.x-hypervintegrationservices-x64.cab
I cant belive I complained when VIRT IO Tools was repackaged some time ago and they changed some folders in there ISO image, while MS gives you a .cab file and not even an executable.What do you mean? What VM are you trying to install? You shouldn't need any integration tools at all for any modern operating system on a VM. They come built in and are updated via Windows Update (if running Windows OS)
If you install RHEL or CentOS, you can download a Linux Integration Services .ISO if you need to. You simply run the ./install.sh file. All other modern Linux OSs already have the Hyper-V Integration built in to the kernel.
This is what i am talking about:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-US/help/3063109/hyper-v-integration-components-update-for-windows-virtual-machinesMethod 2: Microsoft Download Center
The following files are available for download from the Microsoft Download Center.
Operating system Update
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 R2 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 Download Download the package now.
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2008 R2 Download Download the package now.Go to the download, and it is all .cab files.
WTF are you talking about. This is not DVD media. You are doing it wrong from the beginning.
Ofcourse I know this is not DVD media, those are the Hyper-V agents that MS wants you to install on your guest machine, MS calls them Hyper-V integration components.
ESXi and KVM Virt IO all provides much better ways to get this installed on your guest machines, and dont provide you a dumb .cab file.
Just because you are not capable of providing a share to get access the files from within the VM does not mean the process is stupid.
Who wants to mount ISO files from the hypervisor all the time just to update software in a guest VM? That is the stupid thing.
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@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@tim_g
@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Oh and they provide the hyper v integration as cab file (guest agent):
windows6.x-hypervintegrationservices-x64.cab
I cant belive I complained when VIRT IO Tools was repackaged some time ago and they changed some folders in there ISO image, while MS gives you a .cab file and not even an executable.What do you mean? What VM are you trying to install? You shouldn't need any integration tools at all for any modern operating system on a VM. They come built in and are updated via Windows Update (if running Windows OS)
If you install RHEL or CentOS, you can download a Linux Integration Services .ISO if you need to. You simply run the ./install.sh file. All other modern Linux OSs already have the Hyper-V Integration built in to the kernel.
This is what i am talking about:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-US/help/3063109/hyper-v-integration-components-update-for-windows-virtual-machinesMethod 2: Microsoft Download Center
The following files are available for download from the Microsoft Download Center.
Operating system Update
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 R2 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 Download Download the package now.
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2008 R2 Download Download the package now.Go to the download, and it is all .cab files.
WTF are you talking about. This is not DVD media. You are doing it wrong from the beginning.
Ofcourse I know this is not DVD media, those are the Hyper-V agents that MS wants you to install on your guest machine, MS calls them Hyper-V integration components.
ESXi and KVM Virt IO all provides much better ways to get this installed on your guest machines, and dont provide you a dumb .cab file.
Just because you are not capable of providing a share to get access the files from within the VM does not mean the process is stupid.
Who wants to mount ISO files from the hypervisor all the time just to update software in a guest VM? That is the stupid thing.
Okay, granted what are the commands to create share in Windows hyper-V standalone? I tried and failed, or the only way to do so is to have share outside hyper-V like NAS ? if so both KVM and ESXi can be easier in sending files directly to the host.
I dont want to go to fight about who is the best Virtualization platform cause that is pointless, but my trial wit Hyper-V is everything required 2 extra steps to get it configured. While the competition it can be done with one step.
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Btw the way that you reply to posts does not generate notifications FYI.
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One thing I'm really curious about though with regards to Salt - is centralized authentication? Is this even a concept? I have 20+ users who move to many different machines - I realize Salt can help make sure that all those endpoints have XYZ settings, etc on them, though I'm not sure if it's user aware. But settings don't setup authentication. I'm also guessing that Salt can be used to make local user accounts - so a poor man's centralized authentication could be had - update the users/passwords centrally via Salt - but what if users want to manage their own passwords? How would that sync between machines? But now I'm way off topic.
hmm, they key point with salt is third party software solutions, so if you know the machines and group them in correct groups you can then start providing them with scripts and and stuff to process this authentication have it run at startup, I dont know if there is any other way.
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@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@tim_g
@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Oh and they provide the hyper v integration as cab file (guest agent):
windows6.x-hypervintegrationservices-x64.cab
I cant belive I complained when VIRT IO Tools was repackaged some time ago and they changed some folders in there ISO image, while MS gives you a .cab file and not even an executable.What do you mean? What VM are you trying to install? You shouldn't need any integration tools at all for any modern operating system on a VM. They come built in and are updated via Windows Update (if running Windows OS)
If you install RHEL or CentOS, you can download a Linux Integration Services .ISO if you need to. You simply run the ./install.sh file. All other modern Linux OSs already have the Hyper-V Integration built in to the kernel.
This is what i am talking about:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-US/help/3063109/hyper-v-integration-components-update-for-windows-virtual-machinesMethod 2: Microsoft Download Center
The following files are available for download from the Microsoft Download Center.
Operating system Update
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 R2 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 Download Download the package now.
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2008 R2 Download Download the package now.Go to the download, and it is all .cab files.
WTF are you talking about. This is not DVD media. You are doing it wrong from the beginning.
Ofcourse I know this is not DVD media, those are the Hyper-V agents that MS wants you to install on your guest machine, MS calls them Hyper-V integration components.
ESXi and KVM Virt IO all provides much better ways to get this installed on your guest machines, and dont provide you a dumb .cab file.
Just because you are not capable of providing a share to get access the files from within the VM does not mean the process is stupid.
Who wants to mount ISO files from the hypervisor all the time just to update software in a guest VM? That is the stupid thing.
Okay, granted what are the commands to create share in Windows hyper-V standalone? I tried and failed, or the only way to do so is to have share outside hyper-V like NAS ? if so both KVM and ESXi can be easier in sending files directly to the host.
I dont want to go to fight about who is the best Virtualization platform cause that is pointless, but my trial wit Hyper-V is everything required 2 extra steps to get it configured. While the competition it can be done with one step.
Why are you trying to put these files on the hypervisor? They have no need to be on the hypervisor. You cannot download them there anyway why are you trying to put them there? The guest VM does not care where they are shared from. Just put them someplace accessible. or even download them directly in the guest VM.
I am not arguing best hypervisor platform. I am simply stating you are doing things wrong and causing your own problems.
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@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Btw the way that you reply to posts does not generate notifications FYI.
I click the quote button - nothing strange on my end in how I reply.
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@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@tim_g
@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Oh and they provide the hyper v integration as cab file (guest agent):
windows6.x-hypervintegrationservices-x64.cab
I cant belive I complained when VIRT IO Tools was repackaged some time ago and they changed some folders in there ISO image, while MS gives you a .cab file and not even an executable.What do you mean? What VM are you trying to install? You shouldn't need any integration tools at all for any modern operating system on a VM. They come built in and are updated via Windows Update (if running Windows OS)
If you install RHEL or CentOS, you can download a Linux Integration Services .ISO if you need to. You simply run the ./install.sh file. All other modern Linux OSs already have the Hyper-V Integration built in to the kernel.
This is what i am talking about:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-US/help/3063109/hyper-v-integration-components-update-for-windows-virtual-machinesMethod 2: Microsoft Download Center
The following files are available for download from the Microsoft Download Center.
Operating system Update
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 R2 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 Download Download the package now.
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2008 R2 Download Download the package now.Go to the download, and it is all .cab files.
WTF are you talking about. This is not DVD media. You are doing it wrong from the beginning.
Ofcourse I know this is not DVD media, those are the Hyper-V agents that MS wants you to install on your guest machine, MS calls them Hyper-V integration components.
ESXi and KVM Virt IO all provides much better ways to get this installed on your guest machines, and dont provide you a dumb .cab file.
Just because you are not capable of providing a share to get access the files from within the VM does not mean the process is stupid.
Who wants to mount ISO files from the hypervisor all the time just to update software in a guest VM? That is the stupid thing.
Okay, granted what are the commands to create share in Windows hyper-V standalone? I tried and failed, or the only way to do so is to have share outside hyper-V like NAS ? if so both KVM and ESXi can be easier in sending files directly to the host.
I dont want to go to fight about who is the best Virtualization platform cause that is pointless, but my trial wit Hyper-V is everything required 2 extra steps to get it configured. While the competition it can be done with one step.
Why are you trying to put these files on the hypervisor? They have no need to be on the hypervisor. You cannot download them there anyway why are you trying to put them there? The guest VM does not care where they are shared from. Just put them someplace accessible. or even download them directly in the guest VM.
I am not arguing best hypervisor platform. I am simply stating you are doing things wrong and causing your own problems.
I'm guessing that he might be saying that he has no NAS, and doesn't want to create a share from his desktop machine to make those ISOs available to the hypervisor.
ESXi allows you to have a folder on the DataStore that you can then reference. I did this for my ESXi server. Same goes for my XS, I had a local piece of storage on the hypervisor for ISOs.
I don't see an actual issue with this. The biggest one I seem is that you might be using more expensive disk to store ISOs instead of storing them on a NAS.
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@dashrender said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@tim_g
@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Oh and they provide the hyper v integration as cab file (guest agent):
windows6.x-hypervintegrationservices-x64.cab
I cant belive I complained when VIRT IO Tools was repackaged some time ago and they changed some folders in there ISO image, while MS gives you a .cab file and not even an executable.What do you mean? What VM are you trying to install? You shouldn't need any integration tools at all for any modern operating system on a VM. They come built in and are updated via Windows Update (if running Windows OS)
If you install RHEL or CentOS, you can download a Linux Integration Services .ISO if you need to. You simply run the ./install.sh file. All other modern Linux OSs already have the Hyper-V Integration built in to the kernel.
This is what i am talking about:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-US/help/3063109/hyper-v-integration-components-update-for-windows-virtual-machinesMethod 2: Microsoft Download Center
The following files are available for download from the Microsoft Download Center.
Operating system Update
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 R2 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 Download Download the package now.
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2008 R2 Download Download the package now.Go to the download, and it is all .cab files.
WTF are you talking about. This is not DVD media. You are doing it wrong from the beginning.
Ofcourse I know this is not DVD media, those are the Hyper-V agents that MS wants you to install on your guest machine, MS calls them Hyper-V integration components.
ESXi and KVM Virt IO all provides much better ways to get this installed on your guest machines, and dont provide you a dumb .cab file.
Just because you are not capable of providing a share to get access the files from within the VM does not mean the process is stupid.
Who wants to mount ISO files from the hypervisor all the time just to update software in a guest VM? That is the stupid thing.
Okay, granted what are the commands to create share in Windows hyper-V standalone? I tried and failed, or the only way to do so is to have share outside hyper-V like NAS ? if so both KVM and ESXi can be easier in sending files directly to the host.
I dont want to go to fight about who is the best Virtualization platform cause that is pointless, but my trial wit Hyper-V is everything required 2 extra steps to get it configured. While the competition it can be done with one step.
Why are you trying to put these files on the hypervisor? They have no need to be on the hypervisor. You cannot download them there anyway why are you trying to put them there? The guest VM does not care where they are shared from. Just put them someplace accessible. or even download them directly in the guest VM.
I am not arguing best hypervisor platform. I am simply stating you are doing things wrong and causing your own problems.
I'm guessing that he might be saying that he has no NAS, and doesn't want to create a share from his desktop machine to make those ISOs available to the hypervisor.
ESXi allows you to have a folder on the DataStore that you can then reference. I did this for my ESXi server. Same goes for my XS, I had a local piece of storage on the hypervisor for ISOs.
I don't see an actual issue with this. The biggest one I seem is that you might be using more expensive disk to store ISOs instead of storing them on a NAS.
And Hyper-V lets you access share a folder too. It is all windows, so the admin share is there and active.
\\hypervservername\c$\somefolder
