Feedback on Resume
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse I've always been under the impression that you should highlight your strongest stuff first. My experience is stronger than my knowledge on paper although I do have a lot of stuff to add.
If I had to look at resumes for an hour, I want to know what you can do / have done. Not where you work. That comes when I decide to look at you harder... it's the Thirty second rule.... Wow me,.. but you are being timed....
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@gjacobse The hard part of that is honesty. Most of the people I'll be competing with will be lying. I've seen it everywhere. It's hard to compete with people that might as well not exist (they aren't actually who they are presenting). I will typically get the job once I stop becoming a name on a piece of paper, but it's hard to get past that point.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse The hard part of that is honesty. Most of the people I'll be competing with will be lying. I've seen it everywhere. It's hard to compete with people that might as well not exist (they aren't actually who they are presenting). I will typically get the job once I stop becoming a name on a piece of paper, but it's hard to get past that point.
I agree that there is a line when building a resume.
While working with persons with challenging history / employment, we had to be very careful as to what was on a resume. You have to be creative without it being a flat-out lie. I have a few examples, but would prefer to not list them.... But here's one.
Car Thief = Parts Acquisition Engineer
Janitor = Environment protection technician
(eta)
Vandalism = Abstract Visual DesignerHave to be creative in a positive manner....
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LOL - creative and fake.
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In today's world it feels like you can't be honest and be competitive almost. Of course, I am stubborn about it. that's probably why I make less than I could though. I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.
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Ah - something else... You have two listed as present employment. Both should be listed together, regardless of begin date,
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@gjacobse It's misrepresenting the truth. If you're on a date and you ask the girl what she does and she says "I'm a petroleum technician" when in reality she pumps gas are you going to be like "that's fair"? I seriously doubt it.
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sadly, there are number of cases where titles are really contentious and subjective...
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@gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.
It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.
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@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.
It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.
Yeah but there are different types of salesman. There are slimey douchebag salesman and honest salesman who are just selling a good product. I want to be honest and clear with my employer and let them know exactly what they are getting, not sell them a golden turd.
Always refer back to this:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.
It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.
Yeah but there are different types of salesman. There are slimey douchebag salesman and honest salesman who are just selling a good product. I want to be honest and clear with my employer and let them know exactly what they are getting, not sell them a golden turd.
Always refer back to this:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.
Actually, according to Scott, as long as they aren't lying, the sales persons are the same, or the second one is not doing their job correctly.
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@Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.
It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.
Yeah but there are different types of salesman. There are slimey douchebag salesman and honest salesman who are just selling a good product. I want to be honest and clear with my employer and let them know exactly what they are getting, not sell them a golden turd.
Always refer back to this:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.
Actually, according to Scott, as long as they aren't lying, the sales persons are the same, or the second one is not doing their job correctly.
Then we get into what is considered a lie. Let's not use the word lie and instead say misrepresent
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@gjacobse said in Feedback on Resume:
sadly, there are number of cases where titles are really contentious and subjective...
Let's look at what my NTG title is.. or could be.
- Desktop Support Engineer
- Help Desk Level 1
- Help Desk Level 2
- Receptionist
- Field Support Engineer
- Server Administrator
- Network Cable Technician
- Installer
- KY Sales Manager
(Shuew--.. while typing this my computer crashed. I am happy that it retained 90% of the message typed.)
So which of those is right or wrong - since I am doing all of them. and as far as the statement of
Always refer back to this:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.
That's fine. But you are trying to sell yourself to the company, The Resume is a 'Spec' sheet of the product - you. You are the sales person... so....
The challenge is to of course up sell yourself in a manner you are willing to do,.. But at some point - you have to put yourself out there...
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@gjacobse said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse said in Feedback on Resume:
sadly, there are number of cases where titles are really contentious and subjective...
Let's look at what my NTG title is.. or could be.
- Desktop Support Engineer
- Help Desk Level 1
- Help Desk Level 2
- Receptionist
- Field Support Engineer
- Server Administrator
- Network Cable Technician
- Installer
- KY Sales Manager
(Shuew--.. while typing this my computer crashed. I am happy that it retained 90% of the message typed.)
So which of those is right or wrong - since I am doing all of them. and as far as the statement of
Always refer back to this:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.
That's fine. But you are trying to sell yourself to the company, The Resume is a 'Spec' sheet of the product - you. You are the sales person... so....
The challenge is to of course up sell yourself in a manner you are willing to do,.. But at some point - you have to put yourself out there...
Right
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.
It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.
Yeah but there are different types of salesman. There are slimey douchebag salesman and honest salesman who are just selling a good product. I want to be honest and clear with my employer and let them know exactly what they are getting, not sell them a golden turd.
Always refer back to this:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.
Are you a golden turd? If not what do you have to worry about?
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@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.
It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.
Yeah but there are different types of salesman. There are slimey douchebag salesman and honest salesman who are just selling a good product. I want to be honest and clear with my employer and let them know exactly what they are getting, not sell them a golden turd.
Always refer back to this:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.
Are you a golden turd? If not what do you have to worry about?
If I present myself in a dishonest way I'm a golden turd in the sense that i look great but I'm actually shit (can't do my job)
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FIrst note... the formatting isn't all aligned. That's important. I'm sure it's just a work in progress, but it's misaligned in Google Docs, so worth addressing.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse I've always been under the impression that you should highlight your strongest stuff first. My experience is stronger than my knowledge on paper although I do have a lot of stuff to add.
In your skills section, yes. In your job history do it chronologically.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse The hard part of that is honesty. Most of the people I'll be competing with will be lying. I've seen it everywhere. It's hard to compete with people that might as well not exist (they aren't actually who they are presenting). I will typically get the job once I stop becoming a name on a piece of paper, but it's hard to get past that point.
To be fair, I think candidates do this less than the jobs themselves do!
