Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology
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I just had an awesome thought. Can you imagine servers being as powerful as x86 is now but with passive cooling and their own battery backups built in being commonplace?
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@stacksofplates said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
@Breffni-Potter said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
If Windows suggests to their OEM partners to favour AMD more....ouch, Intel will lose hugely. Think of all those OEM servers and client devices.
Would AMD be capable of handling the demand or would it fold?
I don't think we'll see it with Server 16's lifetime but maybe the next version.
They will probably have to rethink their licensing structure. That would be brutal.
Not really, They review their license model with each new edition, Server and Windows are huge products so they got plenty of teams to do it. I don't think it would be that big a stretch for the behemoth of Microsoft to change.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
@stacksofplates said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
@Breffni-Potter said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
If Windows suggests to their OEM partners to favour AMD more....ouch, Intel will lose hugely. Think of all those OEM servers and client devices.
Would AMD be capable of handling the demand or would it fold?
I don't think we'll see it with Server 16's lifetime but maybe the next version.
They will probably have to rethink their licensing structure. That would be brutal.
Not really, They review their license model with each new edition, Server and Windows are huge products so they got plenty of teams to do it. I don't think it would be that big a stretch for the behemoth of Microsoft to change.
Oh I meant it would be brutal for customers under the current licensing structure.
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@stacksofplates said
Oh I meant it would be brutal for customers under the current licensing structure.
Yeah but that's because its a very Intel friendly license model. If those two have a proper falling out, MS can make it more AMD friendly.
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@scottalanmiller if you're going to write an opinion piece don't mark it as news
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@Tim_G said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
Don't they realize there are alternatives to Intel (and better) and that we don't actually need them?
Time to stop using their products if they will be like this.
That's why they are being like this, because people are already stopping using their products.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
If Windows suggests to their OEM partners to favour AMD more....ouch, Intel will lose hugely. Think of all those OEM servers and client devices.
Would AMD be capable of handling the demand or would it fold?
I don't think we'll see it with Server 16's lifetime but maybe the next version.
AMD has handled it before no problem.
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@JaredBusch said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
@scottalanmiller if you're going to write an opinion piece don't mark it as news
It was reporting on an opinion piece, so news of their opinion.
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@scottalanmiller said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
@Breffni-Potter said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
If Windows suggests to their OEM partners to favour AMD more....ouch, Intel will lose hugely. Think of all those OEM servers and client devices.
Would AMD be capable of handling the demand or would it fold?
I don't think we'll see it with Server 16's lifetime but maybe the next version.
AMD has handled it before no problem.
Did they not fold badly years ago? They seemed to back out of the game and ceed a lot to Intel.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
@Breffni-Potter said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
If Windows suggests to their OEM partners to favour AMD more....ouch, Intel will lose hugely. Think of all those OEM servers and client devices.
Would AMD be capable of handling the demand or would it fold?
I don't think we'll see it with Server 16's lifetime but maybe the next version.
AMD has handled it before no problem.
Did they not fold badly years ago? They seemed to back out of the game and ceed a lot to Intel.
AMD moved to ARM, the very thing that Intel is trying to defend against.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
Would AMD be capable of handling the demand or would it fold?
AMD would just hire out more and more fabrication facilities. If things get bad enough, Intel would probably be nothing more than another fab facility for other companies to use.
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@travisdh1 said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
@Breffni-Potter said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
Would AMD be capable of handling the demand or would it fold?
AMD would just hire out more and more fabrication facilities. If things get bad enough, Intel would probably be nothing more than another fab facility for other companies to use.
AMD is still a giant chip maker. They can definitely take on whatever is needed.
I'm surprised that everyone thinks that all this work is going to go to AMD, though. AMD is sure in the winner's seat here, but everyone is talking about Qualcomm as the biggest player in this space. ML is the first place where I've seen anyone mention AMD as getting the bulk of the new workload when Qualcomm is the one already taking it from Intel and AMD. NVidia is another big winner potentially there, and they have some insane fab capabilities, too. And Samsung, Apple and others are all in positions to leverage that overnight.
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@scottalanmiller said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
Did they not fold badly years ago? They seemed to back out of the game and ceed a lot to Intel.
Really I dont see that, there plans of ARM server processors seem very short-lived, the only thing that will seem to continue with ARM is the co-security processor they integrate with their x86-x64 CPUs, but thats it. I think its cortex a5 they integrate in each CPU as well.
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I dont understand why all the comments are filled with AMD, this topic has little to do with AMD.
When Windows 10 be able to run on ARM and not only from Qualcom, just like Android can run from:
Mediatek chips/RockChip/Xiaomi ...etc
thats when everything will change, the cost of those ARM chips can get low as 10$ per chip cause of the insane competition, and they include much more than traditional x86 CPU, and you really dont get innovation with 2 company monopoly, like AMD Ryzen is on par with intel performance but cheaper, and that is what after 5 years of AMD catching up.With ARM the whole playground will change, all my family and friends can live with ARM level of performance, my mom uses her smartphone for everything, she does not play games and stuff, so using that logic 1 or 2 in 10 people will only require the performance of x86 CPU, the rest will be served fine with ARM.
Plus ARM:
efficient
cheaper
will come with much more mobile options with plenty of battery
has integrated modem usually. -
I bet GPU based processing is going to skyrocket... maybe ARM will first spike a bit, but after that my money is on NVidia (or at least that style of processing units).
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@Tim_G said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
I bet GPU based processing is going to skyrocket... maybe ARM will first spike a bit, but after that my money is on NVidia (or at least that style of processing units).
GPU has been in the lead for a long time. The issue is that GPU's aren't designed (meant) for CPU tasks.
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@DustinB3403 said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
@Tim_G said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
I bet GPU based processing is going to skyrocket... maybe ARM will first spike a bit, but after that my money is on NVidia (or at least that style of processing units).
GPU has been in the lead for a long time. The issue is that GPU's aren't designed (meant) for CPU tasks.
I'm talking AI/machine learning, data mining, business intelligence, and predictive analytics. That stuff is getting a lot bigger fast.
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@msff-amman-Itofficer said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
Did they not fold badly years ago? They seemed to back out of the game and ceed a lot to Intel.
Really I dont see that, there plans of ARM server processors seem very short-lived, the only thing that will seem to continue with ARM is the co-security processor they integrate with their x86-x64 CPUs, but thats it. I think its cortex a5 they integrate in each CPU as well.
AMD's Opteron family is based around ARM now. AMD is all in on ARM.
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@msff-amman-Itofficer said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
... like AMD Ryzen is on par with intel performance but cheaper, and that is what after 5 years of AMD catching up.
Which was after eight years of Intel catching up
They go back and forth, AMD has been the overall leader for the last ~15 years. Intel just had a brief period in the spotlight again. Their last big win was the Pentium IIIS which did not last long before AMD crushed it.AMD's ARM play is for the datacenter, though, not for the desktop. Their ARM Opterons are not intended for end user usage but for big servers.
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@scottalanmiller said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
@msff-amman-Itofficer said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:
... like AMD Ryzen is on par with intel performance but cheaper, and that is what after 5 years of AMD catching up.
Which was after eight years of Intel catching up
They go back and forth, AMD has been the overall leader for the last ~15 years. Intel just had a brief period in the spotlight again. Their last big win was the Pentium IIIS which did not last long before AMD crushed it.AMD's ARM play is for the datacenter, though, not for the desktop. Their ARM Opterons are not intended for end user usage but for big servers.
I disagree with you on this one, they will not make it. and I really think that they U turned to AMD zen server chips.
Who needs an Cortex a57 server CPU ? it is sooo 2013 ...
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4072289-amd-better-without-arm
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3106852/amd-turns-back-to-x86-for-server-reboot-as-it-downgrades-arm.html
