Solved Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?
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@dafyre said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit It's really easy to fall into a generalist role naturally because a lot of SMB's have a single IT staff and you will be responsible for everything. @Dashrender and I are both generalists. It's not great.
What's not great is being the only person responsible for everything. I actually love the generalist role because it lets me keep my hands in all the cookie jars and experience far more than i would otherwise.
So true about gaining knowledge in on different things, but while changing a job, not necessary that you can find again IT Generalist job, so there specialist matters.
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@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@dafyre said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit It's really easy to fall into a generalist role naturally because a lot of SMB's have a single IT staff and you will be responsible for everything. @Dashrender and I are both generalists. It's not great.
What's not great is being the only person responsible for everything. I actually love the generalist role because it lets me keep my hands in all the cookie jars and experience far more than i would otherwise.
A lot of people do, it can be a lot of fun. There are inherent problems with creating proper value in it because doing L4 tasks and L1 at the same pay rate means someone isn't getting a good deal. But it's the one role where you get to do just everything, which is fun.
So true, this one of reason (pay), I am trying to find other one.
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@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
...not necessary that you can find again IT Generalist job,
How can you say this after what we have explained? Everyone in here is a generalist, every single one. Every IT person in the SOHO, SMB and SME markets and most in the Medium and many in the Large market are generalists. There is no part of IT more broad, nothing more easy to find, nothing more likely to fall into. It's specialist that is "hard" to find.
No one, in the history of IT, has failed to find other generalists jobs, that's the one thing you know is always there, in every market.
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@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@dafyre said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit It's really easy to fall into a generalist role naturally because a lot of SMB's have a single IT staff and you will be responsible for everything. @Dashrender and I are both generalists. It's not great.
What's not great is being the only person responsible for everything. I actually love the generalist role because it lets me keep my hands in all the cookie jars and experience far more than i would otherwise.
A lot of people do, it can be a lot of fun. There are inherent problems with creating proper value in it because doing L4 tasks and L1 at the same pay rate means someone isn't getting a good deal. But it's the one role where you get to do just everything, which is fun.
So true, this one of reason (pay), I am trying to find other one.
Generalist rarely pays really well. The best jobs are generalist, that's what gets into seven figures along with system admin, but that's the top .00001%
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@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
I never mean some post is having lower level value and some higher. What I mean here is, in general, IT guys growth is like Support L1 -> L2->L3-> System Admin etc. so in this levels, my position is System Admin and applying for some L2 (which is lower ?)
And what I'm telling you is that that is WRONG. That's not how it happens, those are false titles 99% of the time. System Admin is not "above" support. It's a lateral move to a different discipline.
If you wanted to be an admin, you start there. There is nothing in being in support that prepares you for be an admin.
Oh okay, noted.
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@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
...not necessary that you can find again IT Generalist job,
How can you say this after what we have explained? Everyone in here is a generalist, every single one. Every IT person in the SOHO, SMB and SME markets and most in the Medium and many in the Large market are generalists. There is no part of IT more broad, nothing more easy to find, nothing more likely to fall into. It's specialist that is "hard" to find.
No one, in the history of IT, has failed to find other generalists jobs, that's the one thing you know is always there, in every market.
Sorry
agreed.Besides, I don't know why Emojis are not working ?
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@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
...not necessary that you can find again IT Generalist job,
How can you say this after what we have explained? Everyone in here is a generalist, every single one. Every IT person in the SOHO, SMB and SME markets and most in the Medium and many in the Large market are generalists. There is no part of IT more broad, nothing more easy to find, nothing more likely to fall into. It's specialist that is "hard" to find.
No one, in the history of IT, has failed to find other generalists jobs, that's the one thing you know is always there, in every market.
Sorry
agreed.Besides, I don't know why Emojis are not working ?
I blame @scottalanmiller.
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@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
I never mean some post is having lower level value and some higher. What I mean here is, in general, IT guys growth is like Support L1 -> L2->L3-> System Admin etc. so in this levels, my position is System Admin and applying for some L2 (which is lower ?)
And what I'm telling you is that that is WRONG. That's not how it happens, those are false titles 99% of the time. System Admin is not "above" support. It's a lateral move to a different discipline.
If you wanted to be an admin, you start there. There is nothing in being in support that prepares you for be an admin.
Oh okay, noted.
Other than just "the more experience you have, the more someone will take a risk on you if you lack other stuff" way.
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@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
I never mean some post is having lower level value and some higher. What I mean here is, in general, IT guys growth is like Support L1 -> L2->L3-> System Admin etc. so in this levels, my position is System Admin and applying for some L2 (which is lower ?)
And what I'm telling you is that that is WRONG. That's not how it happens, those are false titles 99% of the time. System Admin is not "above" support. It's a lateral move to a different discipline.
If you wanted to be an admin, you start there. There is nothing in being in support that prepares you for be an admin.
Oh okay, noted.
Other than just "the more experience you have, the more someone will take a risk on you if you lack other stuff" way.
Well, that may not be true for everyone, let's say in my situation, my company do "Interior Designing", all other colleagues are non-IT including Management and no other IT than me, so no one can understand how many things I learned, implementing for betterment etc.
Maybe it is true in MSPs, companies with IT in-charge or IT Manager, fortune companies etc as they will have someone can understand IT things.
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@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
I never mean some post is having lower level value and some higher. What I mean here is, in general, IT guys growth is like Support L1 -> L2->L3-> System Admin etc. so in this levels, my position is System Admin and applying for some L2 (which is lower ?)
And what I'm telling you is that that is WRONG. That's not how it happens, those are false titles 99% of the time. System Admin is not "above" support. It's a lateral move to a different discipline.
If you wanted to be an admin, you start there. There is nothing in being in support that prepares you for be an admin.
Oh okay, noted.
Other than just "the more experience you have, the more someone will take a risk on you if you lack other stuff" way.
Well, that may not be true for everyone, let's say in my situation, my company do "Interior Designing", all other colleagues are non-IT including Management and no other IT than me, so no one can understand how many things I learned, implementing for betterment etc.
Maybe it is true in MSPs, companies with IT in-charge or IT Manager, fortune companies etc as they will have someone can understand IT things.
That's what the actual job interviews are for, I think. That is where you can give more details about your skills, not just a bullet point of "I have done / currently do these things at my job" type list.
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@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
I never mean some post is having lower level value and some higher. What I mean here is, in general, IT guys growth is like Support L1 -> L2->L3-> System Admin etc. so in this levels, my position is System Admin and applying for some L2 (which is lower ?)
And what I'm telling you is that that is WRONG. That's not how it happens, those are false titles 99% of the time. System Admin is not "above" support. It's a lateral move to a different discipline.
If you wanted to be an admin, you start there. There is nothing in being in support that prepares you for be an admin.
Oh okay, noted.
Other than just "the more experience you have, the more someone will take a risk on you if you lack other stuff" way.
Well, that may not be true for everyone, let's say in my situation, my company do "Interior Designing", all other colleagues are non-IT including Management and no other IT than me, so no one can understand how many things I learned, implementing for betterment etc.
Maybe it is true in MSPs, companies with IT in-charge or IT Manager, fortune companies etc as they will have someone can understand IT things.
I don't follow this. So you are saying that all experience is worthless because you don't work in a large company?
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@JaredBusch said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit It's really easy to fall into a generalist role naturally because a lot of SMB's have a single IT staff and you will be responsible for everything. @Dashrender and I are both generalists. It's not great.
So are all CIOs, though. Generalist runs the gamut.
IMO I'd be a lot more valuable as a specialist but if I want to do that I need to get an enterprise job. SMB's obviously can't hire like that.
And you would be wrong again as you always are when it comes to what you perceive as value.
Am I a specialist? Where do you think my value lies?
I don't know what to classify you as because you have specialist level of knowledge but are a generalist as well. You're essentially where I aspire to be, but we also are very different people.
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@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit It's really easy to fall into a generalist role naturally because a lot of SMB's have a single IT staff and you will be responsible for everything. @Dashrender and I are both generalists. It's not great.
Yeah I can understand that. Why you are not feeling great, is that same reason I am seeing now ? that is "not specialized and may find difficulty when we want to move to other company" ?
It's harder to be good at your job as a generalist than it is a specialist just due to the amount of knowledge required. It's also a lot more stressful to be responsible for absolutely everything--instead of just your niche thing.
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@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@JaredBusch said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit It's really easy to fall into a generalist role naturally because a lot of SMB's have a single IT staff and you will be responsible for everything. @Dashrender and I are both generalists. It's not great.
So are all CIOs, though. Generalist runs the gamut.
IMO I'd be a lot more valuable as a specialist but if I want to do that I need to get an enterprise job. SMB's obviously can't hire like that.
And you would be wrong again as you always are when it comes to what you perceive as value.
Am I a specialist? Where do you think my value lies?
I don't know what to classify you as because you have specialist level of knowledge but are a generalist as well.
Specialists are not senior to generalists. There isn't a "level" for specialist. A specialist goes to work and does one job (wears one hat) and a generalist goes and wears many hats.
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@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit It's really easy to fall into a generalist role naturally because a lot of SMB's have a single IT staff and you will be responsible for everything. @Dashrender and I are both generalists. It's not great.
Yeah I can understand that. Why you are not feeling great, is that same reason I am seeing now ? that is "not specialized and may find difficulty when we want to move to other company" ?
It's harder to be good at your job as a generalist than it is a specialist just due to the amount of knowledge required.
Same amount needed, just different stuff. Generalists need more different things (broad) and specialists need fewer things (focused.) The total amount to know is the same.
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@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
It's also a lot more stressful to be responsible for absolutely everything--instead of just your niche thing.
I've done both, I don't feel that this is true. Generalists rarely are tasks with critical things like specialists are. So the stress is normally much lower.
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@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
It's also a lot more stressful to be responsible for absolutely everything--instead of just your niche thing.
I've done both, I don't feel that this is true. Generalists rarely are tasks with critical things like specialists are. So the stress is normally much lower.
Any stress I feel comes from a lack of knowledge. If I know the fix to the situation I am calm as a cucumber
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@scottalanmiller I'm also approaching this as someone who desperately wants to learn, not @JaredBusch 's position where he already has a vast amount of knowledge.
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@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
It's also a lot more stressful to be responsible for absolutely everything--instead of just your niche thing.
I've done both, I don't feel that this is true. Generalists rarely are tasks with critical things like specialists are. So the stress is normally much lower.
Any stress I feel comes from a lack of knowledge. If I know the fix to the situation I am calm as a cucumber
Not really, I don't believe that that is true. The stress comes from you applying unrealistic and unsubstantiated expectations that cannot be met. The lack of knowledge aspect comes heavily from that other issue.
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@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
It's also a lot more stressful to be responsible for absolutely everything--instead of just your niche thing.
I've done both, I don't feel that this is true. Generalists rarely are tasks with critical things like specialists are. So the stress is normally much lower.
Any stress I feel comes from a lack of knowledge. If I know the fix to the situation I am calm as a cucumber
Not really, I don't believe that that is true. The stress comes from you applying unrealistic and unsubstantiated expectations that cannot be met. The lack of knowledge aspect comes heavily from that other issue.
Doesn't the unrealistic and unsubstantiated expectations come out of the lack of knowledge? Only way to resolve that is to learn, which I'm trying to do--limited by what I can absorb and understand of course.
