How flexible are your hours?
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@JaredBusch said in How flexible are your hours?:
You are willingly working for free. This is your fault. don't do it.
Yeah, I am out at 5PM on the dot from now on.....
That's what you do. Only thing that makes sense.
He's salary - how does that make sense? He'd only be putting in 40 hours, not your above listed 50 for white collar work.
He's salary - with strict, stated and enforced hours. He's obligated to leave at 5PM.
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@JaredBusch said in How flexible are your hours?:
You are willingly working for free. This is your fault. don't do it.
Yeah, I am out at 5PM on the dot from now on.....
That's what you do. Only thing that makes sense.
He's salary - how does that make sense? He'd only be putting in 40 hours, not your above listed 50 for white collar work.
He's salary, not professional. By definition, professionals have flexible hours (within the ability to do their jobs.) That's one of the key factors as to why teachers aren't legally listed as professionals (and the law always has to say "Professionals & Teachers.") The nature of teaching K12 causes a necessary violation to standard professional definitions. Teachers are professionals by all other normal standards.
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wow - so he's not professional - lol.
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
wow - so he's not professional - lol.
He's not A professional. Nor am I.
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@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@RojoLoco said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@RojoLoco said in How flexible are your hours?:
I have quite flexible hours. I am hourly and make OT for anything over 40.
M-Th 9-7
Fr 9-1Never on call, all after hours/weekend work is usually OT, and my boss is super cool about the whole thing. He lets me make up hours after the fact instead of making me use PTO, which is great. Plus he is very technical and can handle anything when I'm not here.
Let me know when you quit
I'm fairly sure everyone on this forum besides me would hate it here - we are a 100% windows shop.
I like Windows plenty, just never find a business case where we can justify the cost. PowerShell, Ansible, Salt and their new defined state all make it really powerful.
So you've never stepped in a place that already had xxx number of Windows clients? If you did, have you ripped it all out and stuck all the end users with Linux desktops/laptops?
Or do you purposely choose Linux based work?
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@Tim_G said in How flexible are your hours?:
@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@RojoLoco said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@RojoLoco said in How flexible are your hours?:
I have quite flexible hours. I am hourly and make OT for anything over 40.
M-Th 9-7
Fr 9-1Never on call, all after hours/weekend work is usually OT, and my boss is super cool about the whole thing. He lets me make up hours after the fact instead of making me use PTO, which is great. Plus he is very technical and can handle anything when I'm not here.
Let me know when you quit
I'm fairly sure everyone on this forum besides me would hate it here - we are a 100% windows shop.
I like Windows plenty, just never find a business case where we can justify the cost. PowerShell, Ansible, Salt and their new defined state all make it really powerful.
So you've never stepped in a place that already had xxx number of Windows clients? If you did, have you ripped it all out and stuck all the end users with Linux desktops/laptops?
Or do you purposely choose Linux based work?
I've been in places where Windows was not evaluated. But I've never been in a place that when it was, it made financial sense. Every time I've been in a shop that was doing a cost/value (ROI) analysis, it's been that Windows didn't make the cut. It could, but it's rare. It's very costly to acquire, the deal with the licensing and to support. It takes a lot of value to offset those costs.
How often has anyone worked in a shop and really looking into the cost before deploying Windows? It's surprisingly high when you consider all of the pieces.
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@matteo-nunziati said in How flexible are your hours?:
@Dashrender sometimes in smaller companies. this is the fact: italian labor law requires companies to give 2 hours OR either give compensation in salary (for you to be eating out of your house) or provide a canteen service (is canteen the right term?).
Interesting - If they can't give you 2 hours off at lunch, they have to give you money so you can buy food away from your home. Now that's a first. I've never heard of that before.
yes. currently this is aound 5€ per working day. in fact stuff like ticket restaurant and so provide similar value.
small companies simply say: take 2 hours and do whatever you want. This is my first time with 2 hours. asways been in the 45'-1h range.
So you were either paid, what we call a stipend ( a predetermined amount to cover some expense) or they provided lunch (would canteen imply that you had to have a choice in what you are eating, like a buffet? or at least more than one option?)
if companies build their own canteen (just bigger companies) or make agreements with local ones (this is more common but still seldom in small businesses), yes this is something like this:
When companies do not provide 2 hours, the most simple thing is to provide ticket-restaurant-like stuff. Then you go in the closer place where you can use it!
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@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@Tim_G said in How flexible are your hours?:
@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@RojoLoco said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@RojoLoco said in How flexible are your hours?:
I have quite flexible hours. I am hourly and make OT for anything over 40.
M-Th 9-7
Fr 9-1Never on call, all after hours/weekend work is usually OT, and my boss is super cool about the whole thing. He lets me make up hours after the fact instead of making me use PTO, which is great. Plus he is very technical and can handle anything when I'm not here.
Let me know when you quit
I'm fairly sure everyone on this forum besides me would hate it here - we are a 100% windows shop.
I like Windows plenty, just never find a business case where we can justify the cost. PowerShell, Ansible, Salt and their new defined state all make it really powerful.
So you've never stepped in a place that already had xxx number of Windows clients? If you did, have you ripped it all out and stuck all the end users with Linux desktops/laptops?
Or do you purposely choose Linux based work?
I've been in places where Windows was not evaluated. But I've never been in a place that when it was, it made financial sense. Every time I've been in a shop that was doing a cost/value (ROI) analysis, it's been that Windows didn't make the cut. It could, but it's rare. It's very costly to acquire, the deal with the licensing and to support. It takes a lot of value to offset those costs.
How often has anyone worked in a shop and really looking into the cost before deploying Windows? It's surprisingly high when you consider all of the pieces.
Actually, I'm mostly in a situation like this right now. The new subcompany my client created is hiring a ton of new people - they have next to nothing in infrastructure/hardware right now.
But one of the demands is Dragon Naturally Speaking - which apparently runs like poo on Mac - and I'm pretty sure doesn't run/support nix OSes at all.
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@Tim_G said in How flexible are your hours?:
@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@RojoLoco said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@RojoLoco said in How flexible are your hours?:
I have quite flexible hours. I am hourly and make OT for anything over 40.
M-Th 9-7
Fr 9-1Never on call, all after hours/weekend work is usually OT, and my boss is super cool about the whole thing. He lets me make up hours after the fact instead of making me use PTO, which is great. Plus he is very technical and can handle anything when I'm not here.
Let me know when you quit
I'm fairly sure everyone on this forum besides me would hate it here - we are a 100% windows shop.
I like Windows plenty, just never find a business case where we can justify the cost. PowerShell, Ansible, Salt and their new defined state all make it really powerful.
So you've never stepped in a place that already had xxx number of Windows clients? If you did, have you ripped it all out and stuck all the end users with Linux desktops/laptops?
Or do you purposely choose Linux based work?
I've been in places where Windows was not evaluated. But I've never been in a place that when it was, it made financial sense. Every time I've been in a shop that was doing a cost/value (ROI) analysis, it's been that Windows didn't make the cut. It could, but it's rare. It's very costly to acquire, the deal with the licensing and to support. It takes a lot of value to offset those costs.
How often has anyone worked in a shop and really looking into the cost before deploying Windows? It's surprisingly high when you consider all of the pieces.
Actually, I'm mostly in a situation like this right now. The new subcompany my client created is hiring a ton of new people - they have next to nothing in infrastructure/hardware right now.
But one of the demands is Dragon Naturally Speaking - which apparently runs like poo on Mac - and I'm pretty sure doesn't run/support nix OSes at all.
It runs on Linux and there are many alternatives.
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@matteo-nunziati said in How flexible are your hours?:
@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@matteo-nunziati said in How flexible are your hours?:
@Dashrender sometimes in smaller companies. this is the fact: italian labor law requires companies to give 2 hours OR either give compensation in salary (for you to be eating out of your house) or provide a canteen service (is canteen the right term?).
Interesting - If they can't give you 2 hours off at lunch, they have to give you money so you can buy food away from your home. Now that's a first. I've never heard of that before.
yes. currently this is aound 5€ per working day. in fact stuff like ticket restaurant and so provide similar value.
small companies simply say: take 2 hours and do whatever you want. This is my first time with 2 hours. asways been in the 45'-1h range.
So you were either paid, what we call a stipend ( a predetermined amount to cover some expense) or they provided lunch (would canteen imply that you had to have a choice in what you are eating, like a buffet? or at least more than one option?)
if companies build their own canteen (just bigger companies) or make agreements with local ones (this is more common but still seldom in small businesses), yes this is something like this:
When companies do not provide 2 hours, the most simple thing is to provide ticket-restaurant-like stuff. Then you go in the closer place where you can use it!
Wow is all I can say - and that's a federal law?
FYI, We'd call those cafeterias in the US.
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@matteo-nunziati said in How flexible are your hours?:
@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@matteo-nunziati said in How flexible are your hours?:
@Dashrender sometimes in smaller companies. this is the fact: italian labor law requires companies to give 2 hours OR either give compensation in salary (for you to be eating out of your house) or provide a canteen service (is canteen the right term?).
Interesting - If they can't give you 2 hours off at lunch, they have to give you money so you can buy food away from your home. Now that's a first. I've never heard of that before.
yes. currently this is aound 5€ per working day. in fact stuff like ticket restaurant and so provide similar value.
small companies simply say: take 2 hours and do whatever you want. This is my first time with 2 hours. asways been in the 45'-1h range.
So you were either paid, what we call a stipend ( a predetermined amount to cover some expense) or they provided lunch (would canteen imply that you had to have a choice in what you are eating, like a buffet? or at least more than one option?)
if companies build their own canteen (just bigger companies) or make agreements with local ones (this is more common but still seldom in small businesses), yes this is something like this:
When companies do not provide 2 hours, the most simple thing is to provide ticket-restaurant-like stuff. Then you go in the closer place where you can use it!
Wow is all I can say - and that's a federal law?
FYI, We'd call those cafeterias in the US.
Or a canteena, a smaller canteen.
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Canteen is the correct English word, though, and is more accurate than cafeteria. A Cafeteria is supposed to serve coffee, which most will anyway. But a canteen means that it is a cafeteria style but provided by the company rather than being independent.
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@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
Canteen is the correct English word, though, and is more accurate than cafeteria. A Cafeteria is supposed to serve coffee, which most will anyway. But a canteen means that it is a cafeteria style but provided by the company rather than being independent.
Interesting - I've not heard the term used like this before.
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They treat us like adults - it's slightly more strict for IT because we support the place but honestly I've shown up an hour late and no one cares as long as I do my time and everyone gets helped.
Put in extra time ---> flex hours (can't "bank" them, take them within a few weeks of accrual)
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
Canteen is the correct English word, though, and is more accurate than cafeteria. A Cafeteria is supposed to serve coffee, which most will anyway. But a canteen means that it is a cafeteria style but provided by the company rather than being independent.
Interesting - I've not heard the term used like this before.
ThanksThink about things like WW2 movies or Korean War, I bet you heard it and didn't realize it. The US military uses the term for their field eateries.
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I feel like they say it on MAS*H
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@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
I feel like they say it on MAS*H
Just asked the wife - she's been watching it on Netflix, they call it the mess tent.
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My hours are not flexible at all, work from 7 AM to 6:30 PM M, W, Th and 9 AM to 5 PM T F. Saturdays on call.
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@dbeato said in How flexible are your hours?:
My hours are not flexible at all, work from 7 AM to 6:30 PM M, W, Th and 9 AM to 5 PM T F. Saturdays on call.
I used to be on call 24/7 and I would need to be making significantly more to ever justify it to myself
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@dbeato said in How flexible are your hours?:
My hours are not flexible at all, work from 7 AM to 6:30 PM M, W, Th and 9 AM to 5 PM T F. Saturdays on call.
I hope your paid well?......
