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    • coliverC
      coliver @JaredBusch
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      @JaredBusch said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

      If you require a UPS to last long enough to matter, then buy a quality Eaton.

      The 5S series at a minimum.
      http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/5S.aspx

      I have a 3S that has been working fairly well. Kind of wish I had upped to the 5S but other then information I don't really have a reason.

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      • gjacobseG
        gjacobse @JaredBusch
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        @JaredBusch said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

        @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

        Does anyone have a UPS for a desktop computer they like? Is there something that comes with the software to do a graceful shutdown of a computer if it's going to run out of battery?

        Just any random piece of shit consumer UPS will be fine to handle the basic blackouts.

        I never plug in a UPS to control a desktop shutdown.

        Just let it die. There should not be anything intelligent on there that could be lost.

        You say that now,... but spend 3 hours owrking on a spread sheet and losing it due to a power outage.

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        • gjacobseG
          gjacobse @coliver
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          @coliver said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

          Eaton and APC is what I have now. Both do the job.

          Thank's @coliver - I could not think of Eaton

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          • FATeknollogeeF
            FATeknollogee @JaredBusch
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            @JaredBusch said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

            If you require a UPS to last long enough to matter, then buy a quality Eaton.

            The 5S series at a minimum.
            http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/5S.aspx

            Eaton is my go-to line
            5S 1500: for desktops
            5PX 2200 or 3000 + EBM: for servers

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            • MattSpellerM
              MattSpeller
              last edited by MattSpeller

              No. There are no good consumer cheap UPS's that are worth buying. They are worse than useless!

              Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

              Yeah worse than useless because they fail all the F!(@#%!)! time and you'll trust them to work. This does not end well.

              Spend big bucks and get proper good quality stuff or figure out a better backup method.

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              • brianlittlejohnB
                brianlittlejohn @gjacobse
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                @gjacobse said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                @JaredBusch said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                Does anyone have a UPS for a desktop computer they like? Is there something that comes with the software to do a graceful shutdown of a computer if it's going to run out of battery?

                Just any random piece of shit consumer UPS will be fine to handle the basic blackouts.

                I never plug in a UPS to control a desktop shutdown.

                Just let it die. There should not be anything intelligent on there that could be lost.

                You say that now,... but spend 3 hours owrking on a spread sheet and losing it due to a power outage.

                ctrl + s ... it's your friend.

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                • JaredBuschJ
                  JaredBusch @gjacobse
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                  @gjacobse said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                  @JaredBusch said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                  @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                  Does anyone have a UPS for a desktop computer they like? Is there something that comes with the software to do a graceful shutdown of a computer if it's going to run out of battery?

                  Just any random piece of shit consumer UPS will be fine to handle the basic blackouts.

                  I never plug in a UPS to control a desktop shutdown.

                  Just let it die. There should not be anything intelligent on there that could be lost.

                  You say that now,... but spend 3 hours owrking on a spread sheet and losing it due to a power outage.

                  That is your own fucking problem for not saving. Not the problem of the power.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @gjacobse
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                    @gjacobse said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                    @JaredBusch said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                    @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                    Does anyone have a UPS for a desktop computer they like? Is there something that comes with the software to do a graceful shutdown of a computer if it's going to run out of battery?

                    Just any random piece of shit consumer UPS will be fine to handle the basic blackouts.

                    I never plug in a UPS to control a desktop shutdown.

                    Just let it die. There should not be anything intelligent on there that could be lost.

                    You say that now,... but spend 3 hours owrking on a spread sheet and losing it due to a power outage.

                    This is like that episode of Growing Pains when Carrol teaches Mr. Seaver how to save files.

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                    • Mike DavisM
                      Mike Davis
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                      The reason I'm asking is yesterday a customer lost 4 hours of transactions (that 4 people were putting in) in quickbooks when the power went out unexpectedly. There isn't a way for them to save often.

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                      • Mike DavisM
                        Mike Davis
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                        They asked about backup power so it wouldn't happen again. I don't want to recommend UPSs that don't do their job, but I have never used small ones like that so I don't know what people have had good luck with.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
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                          @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                          The reason I'm asking is yesterday a customer lost 4 hours of transactions (that 4 people were putting in) in quickbooks when the power went out unexpectedly. There isn't a way for them to save often.

                          The root of the problem here, of course, is QuickBooks. Do you realize that this means that QB was caching database transactions for FOUR HOURS! WTF

                          There is no way anyone can claim that this is okay to use in a business use case. That's unthinkable. Four seconds without flushing to disk, sure. Four hours, there's no excuse for QB making that or anyone buying it and acting like it was a legitimate recommendation. It should be saving EVERY transaction as it happens. This isn't 1980, we know how to make databases.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
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                            @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                            They asked about backup power so it wouldn't happen again. I don't want to recommend UPSs that don't do their job, but I have never used small ones like that so I don't know what people have had good luck with.

                            Most anything works for a desktop. But this is really a critical server. You want to step things up a bit.

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                            • Mike DavisM
                              Mike Davis @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller I totally agree with you. QuickBooks is way behind the times and I hate supporting it. Can you recommend something for a manufacturing company that is better designed, is easy to use, has support, and will either export to QuickBooks or be easy for their accountant to use? They also have some we plug ins for their web sales ( I think woo commerce IIRC) and another program that prints shipping labels. This is for a company with about 5 people that would use the system at a time.

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                              • Mike DavisM
                                Mike Davis @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                Most anything works for a desktop. But this is really a critical server. You want to step things up a bit.

                                The server UPS stayed up. It was the desktops that all rebooted when the power dropped for a second.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
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                                  A moderate sized Eaton probably makes sense. You have to think of this machine as being an accounting server with a storage malfunction that has to be worked around. You'll have issues if drives fail, power supplies die and similar.

                                  Sixteen lost hours of labour is not trivial to lose. And likely takes quite a bit more than sixteen hours to put in again as they have to figure out exactly what was missing, what is corrupt, etc.

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                                  • Mike DavisM
                                    Mike Davis @scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                    A moderate sized Eaton probably makes sense. You have to think of this machine as being an accounting server with a storage malfunction that has to be worked around. You'll have issues if drives fail, power supplies die and similar.

                                    Sixteen lost hours of labour is not trivial to lose. And likely takes quite a bit more than sixteen hours to put in again as they have to figure out exactly what was missing, what is corrupt, etc.

                                    Well the kicker is we lost time using tools like the QuickBooks file Dr to try to repair the file from when it got corrupt - but we were able to get it so we could open the quickbooks file from the time it went down. They printed out all the invoices that were generated after the time of the known good backup. Then we moved the corrupt file aside, put the file in place from the known good backup and they re-entered all the transactions from the hard copies.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
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                                      @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                      A moderate sized Eaton probably makes sense. You have to think of this machine as being an accounting server with a storage malfunction that has to be worked around. You'll have issues if drives fail, power supplies die and similar.

                                      Sixteen lost hours of labour is not trivial to lose. And likely takes quite a bit more than sixteen hours to put in again as they have to figure out exactly what was missing, what is corrupt, etc.

                                      Well the kicker is we lost time using tools like the QuickBooks file Dr to try to repair the file from when it got corrupt - but we were able to get it so we could open the quickbooks file from the time it went down. They printed out all the invoices that were generated after the time of the known good backup. Then we moved the corrupt file aside, put the file in place from the known good backup and they re-entered all the transactions from the hard copies.

                                      Ah, so it wasn't that it didn't save them, it was that it was corrupted because it was holding the file open when the power went out? that's at least more acceptable.

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                                      • Mike DavisM
                                        Mike Davis @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                        Ah, so it wasn't that it didn't save them, it was that it was corrupted because it was holding the file open when the power went out? that's at least more acceptable.

                                        yes, At first it wouldn't open. Then we ran the file dr and it would open, but there was some odd stuff like a customer had two entries, with old transactions tied to one entry and one new transaction tied to another entry. A few of the basic reports wouldn't even run.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller
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                                          By the way, I just found out that @CraigElliott has been the CEO of Xero, one of QB's key competitors.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
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                                            @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                            Ah, so it wasn't that it didn't save them, it was that it was corrupted because it was holding the file open when the power went out? that's at least more acceptable.

                                            yes, At first it wouldn't open. Then we ran the file dr and it would open, but there was some odd stuff like a customer had two entries, with old transactions tied to one entry and one new transaction tied to another entry. A few of the basic reports wouldn't even run.

                                            Oh... financial data that isn't accurate. Good job QB.

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