Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies
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@DustinB3403 said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
You keep saying that Linux won't work, but for the people who aren't Windows users, they seem to find that it does work - really well.
There's a term for that, can't think of it at the moment.
It's demographics or something. You're taking a survey of a group of people for the wrong reasons, getting results exactly you'd expect... but it's the wrong group of people you are surveying. You need an equal mix. You can't just take all the non-Windows users and form a real opinion based on their results.
For example, non-Windows users will find Linux to just work. Just like you'll find non-Linux users to find Windows to just work.
Man I really wish I could think of this concept right now... it's after midnight for me
Well the point of the article is that there is specifically a difficulty in using Linux for people coming from Windows. It's not unexpected, if you really think about it. Any time you have a group that has trained on something they come to expect that behaviour.
There's so many variables.
I bet great grandma comfortable with using Windows would be equally comfortable with using Ubuntu...
Your seeing past the conversation at hand.
People with little to no computer experience often far better using Linux than they do Windows.
If it works. And, until it breaks. Other than that, yes I agree with the article.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
You keep saying that Linux won't work, but for the people who aren't Windows users, they seem to find that it does work - really well.
There's a term for that, can't think of it at the moment.
It's demographics or something. You're taking a survey of a group of people for the wrong reasons, getting results exactly you'd expect... but it's the wrong group of people you are surveying. You need an equal mix. You can't just take all the non-Windows users and form a real opinion based on their results.
For example, non-Windows users will find Linux to just work. Just like you'll find non-Linux users to find Windows to just work.
Man I really wish I could think of this concept right now... it's after midnight for me
Well the point of the article is that there is specifically a difficulty in using Linux for people coming from Windows. It's not unexpected, if you really think about it. Any time you have a group that has trained on something they come to expect that behaviour.
There's so many variables.
I bet great grandma comfortable with using Windows would be equally comfortable with using Ubuntu...
Your seeing past the conversation at hand.
People with little to no computer experience often fair better using Linux than they do Windows.
That's universally what I've seen, but it's an underpinning of the article which was actually...
People with little or no computer experience fare better with Linux than people with extensive Windows experience fare with Linux.
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@Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
You keep saying that Linux won't work, but for the people who aren't Windows users, they seem to find that it does work - really well.
There's a term for that, can't think of it at the moment.
It's demographics or something. You're taking a survey of a group of people for the wrong reasons, getting results exactly you'd expect... but it's the wrong group of people you are surveying. You need an equal mix. You can't just take all the non-Windows users and form a real opinion based on their results.
For example, non-Windows users will find Linux to just work. Just like you'll find non-Linux users to find Windows to just work.
Man I really wish I could think of this concept right now... it's after midnight for me
Well the point of the article is that there is specifically a difficulty in using Linux for people coming from Windows. It's not unexpected, if you really think about it. Any time you have a group that has trained on something they come to expect that behaviour.
There's so many variables.
I bet great grandma comfortable with using Windows would be equally comfortable with using Ubuntu...
Your seeing past the conversation at hand.
People with little to no computer experience often far better using Linux than they do Windows.
If it works. And, until it breaks. Other than that, yes I agree with the article.
I think it carries through those cases as well. If it works is a given, we are talking about using the OS here. When broken, Linux is easier to deal with for those people as well, I think. Windows gets exceptionally nasty when broken.
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Just for the record I went and found a box and found an old Windows web cam in it (made by Microsoft) and plugged it in to my Korora machine and it worked immediately. No configuration, no drivers, no software, nothing. Just plugged in and it was good to go.
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@scottalanmiller why would you be lugging around an old ass Microsoft webcam?
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@scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
Just for the record I went and found a box and found an old Windows web cam in it (made by Microsoft) and plugged it in to my Korora machine and it worked immediately. No configuration, no drivers, no software, nothing. Just plugged in and it was good to go.
Yep, I've experience that same thing when I had a camera that was designed for 7 but won't work with 10. But works instantly on Ubuntu.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@scottalanmiller why would you be lugging around an old ass Microsoft webcam?
It's actually quite nice.
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@black3dynamite said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
Just for the record I went and found a box and found an old Windows web cam in it (made by Microsoft) and plugged it in to my Korora machine and it worked immediately. No configuration, no drivers, no software, nothing. Just plugged in and it was good to go.
Yep, I've experience that same thing when I had a camera that was designed for 7 but won't work with 10. But works instantly on Ubuntu.
I'm sure that it works on Windows 10... well moderately sure. I don't expect problems there with it, but it sure works great on Korora.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@scottalanmiller why would you be lugging around an old ass Microsoft webcam?
Webcams barely changes enough to get rid of just because microsoft quit on it.
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@black3dynamite said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@scottalanmiller why would you be lugging around an old ass Microsoft webcam?
Webcams barely changes enough to get rid of just because microsoft quit on it.
It's 1080p and ... just works on Linux
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@scottalanmiller
Besides Cinnamon, what other desktop environments do you recommend Windows users to try when they want to start using Linux?Mine are Cinnamon (Because of Linux Mint and Korora), Pantheon (Because of Elementary OS), Gnome and KDE.
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@black3dynamite said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@scottalanmiller
Besides Cinnamon, what other desktop environments do you recommend Windows users to try when they want to start using Linux?Mine are Cinnamon (Because of Linux Mint and Korora), Pantheon (Because of Elementary OS), Gnome and KDE.
Cinnamon is definitely where I normally recommend Windows converts look first because it is like what the future of Windows 7 would have been if it advanced far beyond Windows 10.
I like Budgie a lot, too. From the Solus project.
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@black3dynamite said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@scottalanmiller
Besides Cinnamon, what other desktop environments do you recommend Windows users to try when they want to start using Linux?Mine are Cinnamon (Because of Linux Mint and Korora), Pantheon (Because of Elementary OS), Gnome and KDE.
Fedora would be a decent setup.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@black3dynamite said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@scottalanmiller
Besides Cinnamon, what other desktop environments do you recommend Windows users to try when they want to start using Linux?Mine are Cinnamon (Because of Linux Mint and Korora), Pantheon (Because of Elementary OS), Gnome and KDE.
Fedora would be a decent setup.
He's asking about actually desktop environments, not the distros.
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I was exceptionally pleased with how Korora handled plugging in a TV via hdmi and played movies... And how easy it was to change the resolution and screens.
But then again, im using hardware it fully 100% supports with 0 issues.
Now if it was like that on on the same percentage of hardware that works well on Windows, it'd be a different world.
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@Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
I was exceptionally pleased with how Korora handled plugging in a TV via hdmi and played movies... And how easy it was to change the resolution and screens.
But then again, im using hardware it fully 100% supports with 0 issues.
Now if it was like that on on the same percentage of hardware that works well on Windows, it'd be a different world.
Are you saying you bought hardware to run Linux (specifically Korora)?
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@DustinB3403 said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
I was exceptionally pleased with how Korora handled plugging in a TV via hdmi and played movies... And how easy it was to change the resolution and screens.
But then again, im using hardware it fully 100% supports with 0 issues.
Now if it was like that on on the same percentage of hardware that works well on Windows, it'd be a different world.
Are you saying you bought hardware to run Linux (specifically Korora)?
No, it's Windows hardware that I got lucky enough for Korora to work on without any issues at all.
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@Tim_G Ah.
Good stuff. I've never had a hard time getting any Distro installed on any hardware I've had. Not sure why @scottalanmiller seems to have such a hard time.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@Tim_G Ah.
Good stuff. I've never had a hard time getting any Distro installed on any hardware I've had. Not sure why @scottalanmiller seems to have such a hard time.
No it's the other way around. Scott is the only one who gets Linux installed on all hardware with zero issues and 100% compatibility... and he has issues all the time with Windows. Not sure what he is doing different than the rest of the world, but I wish it was like that for me too!
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@Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:
@Tim_G Ah.
Good stuff. I've never had a hard time getting any Distro installed on any hardware I've had. Not sure why @scottalanmiller seems to have such a hard time.
No it's the other way around. Scott is the only one who gets Linux installed on all hardware with zero issues and 100% compatibility... and he has issues all the time with Windows. Not sure what he is doing different than the rest of the world, but I wish it was like that for me too!
He couldn't get any Distro besides Ubuntu installed onto his Asus ROG.
So that last bit was a jab I was throwing his way.
