Home Anti-virus
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@coliver said in Home Anti-virus:
@RojoLoco said in Home Anti-virus:
@coliver said in Home Anti-virus:
@RojoLoco said in Home Anti-virus:
@Francesco-Provino @scottalanmiller none of that info changes what the OP asked. "Running a disposable VM" is not a type of antivirus.
Originally I was going to agree with you. But now that I think about it running a Windows VM with a snapshot prior to when you're accessing the internet and restoring to that snapshot would be a pretty manageable solution. Especially with machines capable of doing virtualbox.
Not on a box that would struggle with the extra load of virtualization. Being able to run a VM and being able to run a VM well are two different animals.
Bottom line: hey, @nadnerB, were you looking for an AV software or a bunch of "just use virtualization" advice?
That's fair. I get it's out of the scope of the question but that's kind of a thing we do around here.
It's that...
- Original scope implies that the OP knows the answer before asking the question, which makes no sense
- Once original scope is fully covered, all of teh value is in expanding the scope
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This make me wonder... if my computer has DeepFreeze installed, and it is enabled. If I caught a virus will it be remove the next restart?
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@stess said in Home Anti-virus:
This make me wonder... if my computer has DeepFreeze installed, and it is enabled. If I caught a virus will it be remove the next restart?
Deepfreeze locks the system state. You should be virus free when the machine restarts. However there have been some malware that can get out of the deepfreeze jail and infect the non-volatile file system.
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@coliver said in Home Anti-virus:
@stess said in Home Anti-virus:
This make me wonder... if my computer has DeepFreeze installed, and it is enabled. If I caught a virus will it be remove the next restart?
Deepfreeze locks the system state. You should be virus free when the machine restarts. However there have been some malware that can get out of the deepfreeze jail and infect the non-volatile file system.
interesting..... thanks for the input.
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@stess said in Home Anti-virus:
This make me wonder... if my computer has DeepFreeze installed, and it is enabled. If I caught a virus will it be remove the next restart?
Yes, that's exactly the kind of use case that that is for.
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@RojoLoco said in Home Anti-virus:
@nadnerB said in Home Anti-virus:
@IRJ & @Francesco-Provino That's all fancy, spankeriffic, and all but my hardware is incapable of virtualisation....
Exactly. All these "free" things being suggested would cause me to have to invest in new hardware, learn VMWare/KVM/XS etc, all just so I can check email or look up info on google. Or I could take the free webroot license I own, apply it to my current machine, and mission accomplished. All the above suggestions also destroy my work/life balance (no interest in loud ass, power sucking virtual host machine hosts in my house). It's like trying to invent a new desalinization process when all you really need is to stick a barrel out to gather rainwater.
It's so damn easy and requires hardly any resources. My Windows 8.1 VM that I use for web browsing has 1GB of Ram and I've ran it on as low as 512MB for extended periods of time. Every desktop in the last 15 years can handle that.
Don't want to pay for a Windows license? Use Ubuntu or another linux flavor with FF and/or chrome. I run about 10 VMs on my latpop. I usually only run 1 or 2 at a time, but I have run as many as 6 at a time.
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Even better, a Linux VM with a lightweight WM has barely any ram overhead over the regular browser. Near 100Mb for kernel + X11 + some system daemons. I think an antivirus with fancy stuff can waste much more resources…
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@IRJ said in Home Anti-virus:
@RojoLoco said in Home Anti-virus:
@nadnerB said in Home Anti-virus:
@IRJ & @Francesco-Provino That's all fancy, spankeriffic, and all but my hardware is incapable of virtualisation....
Exactly. All these "free" things being suggested would cause me to have to invest in new hardware, learn VMWare/KVM/XS etc, all just so I can check email or look up info on google. Or I could take the free webroot license I own, apply it to my current machine, and mission accomplished. All the above suggestions also destroy my work/life balance (no interest in loud ass, power sucking virtual host machine hosts in my house). It's like trying to invent a new desalinization process when all you really need is to stick a barrel out to gather rainwater.
It's so damn easy and requires hardly any resources. My Windows 8.1 VM that I use for web browsing has 1GB of Ram and I've ran it on as low as 512MB for extended periods of time. Every desktop in the last 15 years can handle that.
Don't want to pay for a Windows license? Use Ubuntu or another linux flavor with FF and/or chrome. I run about 10 VMs on my latpop. I usually only run 1 or 2 at a time, but I have run as many as 6 at a time.
And honestly, for ONLY web browsing, you dont' want Windows in a VM, you want Linux.
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@scottalanmiller said in Home Anti-virus:
@IRJ said in Home Anti-virus:
@RojoLoco said in Home Anti-virus:
@nadnerB said in Home Anti-virus:
@IRJ & @Francesco-Provino That's all fancy, spankeriffic, and all but my hardware is incapable of virtualisation....
Exactly. All these "free" things being suggested would cause me to have to invest in new hardware, learn VMWare/KVM/XS etc, all just so I can check email or look up info on google. Or I could take the free webroot license I own, apply it to my current machine, and mission accomplished. All the above suggestions also destroy my work/life balance (no interest in loud ass, power sucking virtual host machine hosts in my house). It's like trying to invent a new desalinization process when all you really need is to stick a barrel out to gather rainwater.
It's so damn easy and requires hardly any resources. My Windows 8.1 VM that I use for web browsing has 1GB of Ram and I've ran it on as low as 512MB for extended periods of time. Every desktop in the last 15 years can handle that.
Don't want to pay for a Windows license? Use Ubuntu or another linux flavor with FF and/or chrome. I run about 10 VMs on my latpop. I usually only run 1 or 2 at a time, but I have run as many as 6 at a time.
And honestly, for ONLY web browsing, you dont' want Windows in a VM, you want Linux.
Yes, I use my Windows VM for some other functions as well. I use it as my jumpbox for VPN to work, and it has some windows based tools I need.
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Sophos Home + Windows Defender (On demand only)
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For home browsing I use a Chromebook as my protection.
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@scottalanmiller said in Home Anti-virus:
Of course, Linux is the best AV
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@nadnerB said in Home Anti-virus:
So I'm having some ridiculous issues with Avast Free AV and I'm considering switching to something else.
Details here: https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=203267.0What have you got for AV?
I use Webroot. I also resell as an MSP for them, though you'd be better off to get your own key/sub through Newegg and manage it yourself unless you want to incur incident costs when I call you asking why you're checking out www.lemonparty.com and getting viruses at 3am.
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@RojoLoco said in Home Anti-virus:
@coliver said in Home Anti-virus:
@RojoLoco said in Home Anti-virus:
@Francesco-Provino @scottalanmiller none of that info changes what the OP asked. "Running a disposable VM" is not a type of antivirus.
Originally I was going to agree with you. But now that I think about it running a Windows VM with a snapshot prior to when you're accessing the internet and restoring to that snapshot would be a pretty manageable solution. Especially with machines capable of doing virtualbox.
Not on a box that would struggle with the extra load of virtualization. Being able to run a VM and being able to run a VM well are two different animals.
Bottom line: hey, @nadnerB, were you looking for an AV software or a bunch of "just use virtualization" advice?
I'm looking for AV advice/experiences
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@scottalanmiller said in Home Anti-virus:
@nadnerB said in Home Anti-virus:
@scottalanmiller said in Home Anti-virus:
@nadnerB said in Home Anti-virus:
@IRJ & @Francesco-Provino That's all fancy, spankeriffic, and all but my hardware is incapable of virtualisation....
How is that even possible?
My bad. I was thinking type 1. Type 2 does work. I hate it but it works.
How is that possible, though? What is stopping a Type 1 from working?
The CPU.
http://ark.intel.com/products/36547/Intel-Core2-Quad-Processor-Q8200-4M-Cache-2_33-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB -
@scottalanmiller said in Home Anti-virus:
@RojoLoco said in Home Anti-virus:
@Francesco-Provino @scottalanmiller none of that info changes what the OP asked. "Running a disposable VM" is not a type of antivirus.
Well, it sort of is.
Sort of, kind of, but not really.
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@coliver said in Home Anti-virus:
@RojoLoco said in Home Anti-virus:
@Francesco-Provino @scottalanmiller none of that info changes what the OP asked. "Running a disposable VM" is not a type of antivirus.
Originally I was going to agree with you. But now that I think about it running a Windows VM with a snapshot prior to when you're accessing the internet and restoring to that snapshot would be a pretty manageable solution. Especially with machines capable of doing virtualbox.
This is a family PC. I'm trying to keep the process of internet access simple for Mrs nadnerB and Mini-nadnerB.
Looking at it on the convenience vs security scale, I'm looking to have something more middle ground.
(If it's convenient, then it not secure. If it's highly secure then it's not convenient)
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Convenience-----------------------------------------||-----------------------------------------SecurityA VM is much further towards the secure/security side of the scale and that's far too complex for my intended audience.
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What's pushing you away fromDefender then?
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When I had a Windows machine (it was actually my wife's) I used the Avast Business version. It's free and has the centrally managed web console. I don't know what the technical differences are between it and the one you are using but I never had any problems.
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I have Malwarebytes and Clamav on Mac, so no active monitoring, I might run a scan once every few weeks/months. No AV at all on Linux/BSD boxes. No Windows machines at all. My brain is the best AV.
