Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon
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@stacksofplates Of course there are examples where certain apps run on Linux. That doesn't need to be said. Which accounting software are you referring to BTW?
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
What about QuickBooks?
The accountants use it here, and I can't stand it. Intuit makes a habit of lying to my face while I'm quoting their own documentation to them.
I got my start as and admin for things like PRO-E, IDEAS, CATIA, and Medusa. All of them ran on IRIX/OpenVMS at the time. PRO-E was the first thing they got in that had an option to run on a Windows platform, but was still available for just about every modern OS.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@stacksofplates Of course there are examples where certain apps run on Linux. That doesn't need to be said. Which accounting software are you referring to BTW?
If we are talking "the biggest" then I assume SAP and Oracle. MS is even moving many of their most critical workloads to Linux. That will take a while, though.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller Xero doesn't even allow for dates for line items:
https://community.xero.com/business/discussion/78931That request was from 2012...it's 2017 and they still haven't implemented it. As much as I hate QuickBooks Xero is far behind.
Largest accounting office in Manhattan claims exactly the opposite. They recommend Xero and state quite clearly that QB is just for companies that don't know any better. They support it, of course, because there is loads of money is supporting bad things.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@stacksofplates Of course there are examples where certain apps run on Linux. That doesn't need to be said. Which accounting software are you referring to BTW?
Mostly referencing SAP and Oracle but this doesn't include platform agnostic tools that are completely web based like Sage, Freshbooks, Odoo, and whatever other slew of web based accounting/ERP systems.
And if you have to use it, Quickbooks has their hosted version that's not nearly as bad as the on prem version.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller My point is that linux isn't for everyone. Neither is OSX. Neither is Windows. You seem to be arguing that most people could or should be running Linux. My problem with Linux is that it's very limited to common apps that people use on a day to day basis - for example - iTunes.
That's not really the point, though. The discussion was about confused end users who were struggling to identify their operating system and what would be an option for a grandparent who had extremely limited needs and needed something reliable and easy to use that would be easy to support.
Scroll back, I never claimed that Linux was the only answer for them, but only that it was the best one most of the time. All talk of any creative application, accounting, business tools, IT tools and so forth is all red herrings - it's not part of the conversation that we were having. I dont' know why they are being discussed, but they are not related to the topic at hand.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
My problem with Linux is that it's very limited to common apps that people use on a day to day basis - for example - iTunes.
I don't know anyone that uses that, literally. I did long ago, but even the grandparent types seem to have finally listened to people telling them to stop doing this. I don't know why people use it still, but I know that Chromebooks have some tools for doing iPhone backups today.
Since my family uses Chromebooks and iPhones and backs them up to them, I assume that it works rather well. Nothing something that I do, so I can't speak to it. But there are definitely Linux iTunes style options for supporting iPhones to some degree out there.
But I can't say if they do the things that people using iTunes today would want them to do.
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Why is Photoshop always the scapegoat? We have software that does CFD solves (with millions of nodes and each having millions of degrees of freedom) that take months to run over compute clusters. It also does really high end 3D modeling and costs about $70K per seat. But sure you can't run the worst accounting software ever created or a fancier version of MS Paint.
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@stacksofplates said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
Why is Photoshop always the scapegoat? We have software that does CFD solves that take months to run over compute clusters. It also does really high end 3D modeling of millions of nodes with millions of degrees of freedom and costs about $70K per seat. But sure you can't run the worst accounting software ever created or a fancier version of MS Paint.
I know that movies like Rio were made all on Linux
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@stacksofplates said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
Why is Photoshop always the scapegoat?
Photoshop will run on Ubuntu, too. I have no idea why people pay for Photoshop, it's nice but not that nice.
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I have a lot more I could say but I feel it wouldn't be advantageous. This thread was initially about choosing between two laptops. It's severely lost it's course.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
I have a lot more I could say but I feel it wouldn't be advantageous. This thread was initially about choosing between two laptops. It's severely lost it's course
To which I think that my Ethernet value opinion was the most valuable bit. But was predicated on you trusting the wifi hardware. As I have a Lenovo and need Ethernet for it because with Windows, Lenovo could not get the wifi to be stable.
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@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@stacksofplates said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
Why is Photoshop always the scapegoat?
Photoshop will run on Ubuntu, too. I have no idea why people pay for Photoshop, it's nice but not that nice.
WHAT? When?? Please don't say wine or windows virtualization. If you ever work with Photoshop or Lightroom, you'll know these aren't viable alternatives. The Adobe suite has such a superior handling of raw files that this feature only completely blows away the alternatives, IMHO.
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@Francesco-Provino said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@stacksofplates said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
Why is Photoshop always the scapegoat?
Photoshop will run on Ubuntu, too. I have no idea why people pay for Photoshop, it's nice but not that nice.
WHAT? When?? Please don't say wine or windows virtualization. If you ever work with Photoshop or Lightroom, you'll know these aren't viable alternatives. The Adobe suite has such a superior handling of raw files that this feature only completely blows away the alternatives, IMHO.
What's wrong with Wine?
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@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@Francesco-Provino said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@stacksofplates said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
Why is Photoshop always the scapegoat?
Photoshop will run on Ubuntu, too. I have no idea why people pay for Photoshop, it's nice but not that nice.
WHAT? When?? Please don't say wine or windows virtualization. If you ever work with Photoshop or Lightroom, you'll know these aren't viable alternatives. The Adobe suite has such a superior handling of raw files that this feature only completely blows away the alternatives, IMHO.
What's wrong with Wine?
Both Photoshop and Lightroom aren't working good on Wine… just that. All the speed of the modern Photoshop and Lightroom comes from the CPU and GPU optimizations.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
Looking at potentially getting a new laptop. Looking at the T470s & X1 Carbon. Right now I utilize an X230 w/docking station.
I'm leaning more towards the T470s because of the integrated ethernet. At the same time as time goes on we'll see ethernet disappear from more and more notebooks and at least the X1 Carbon has an actual ethernet adapter (doesn't use USB to ethernet) and it has much better battery life.
The other major question is the dock - T470s supports the traditional docking solutions, while the X1 only supports USB C docks - will the USB C dock charge the laptop as well as a traditional dock? I've seen reports that some people with other laptop models w/USB C docks are having charging issues.
Thoughts?
IMHO USB C docking is the future, go with the X1! I think I'll do the same, maybe for Linux compatibility.
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@Francesco-Provino said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
Looking at potentially getting a new laptop. Looking at the T470s & X1 Carbon. Right now I utilize an X230 w/docking station.
I'm leaning more towards the T470s because of the integrated ethernet. At the same time as time goes on we'll see ethernet disappear from more and more notebooks and at least the X1 Carbon has an actual ethernet adapter (doesn't use USB to ethernet) and it has much better battery life.
The other major question is the dock - T470s supports the traditional docking solutions, while the X1 only supports USB C docks - will the USB C dock charge the laptop as well as a traditional dock? I've seen reports that some people with other laptop models w/USB C docks are having charging issues.
Thoughts?
IMHO USB C docking is the future, go with the X1! I think I'll do the same, maybe for Linux compatibility.
That's very true. Mac did the same thing with Thunderbolt. Simple, one port docking is where everyone is moving.
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@Francesco-Provino said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@Francesco-Provino said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@stacksofplates said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
Why is Photoshop always the scapegoat?
Photoshop will run on Ubuntu, too. I have no idea why people pay for Photoshop, it's nice but not that nice.
WHAT? When?? Please don't say wine or windows virtualization. If you ever work with Photoshop or Lightroom, you'll know these aren't viable alternatives. The Adobe suite has such a superior handling of raw files that this feature only completely blows away the alternatives, IMHO.
What's wrong with Wine?
Both Photoshop and Lightroom aren't working good on Wine… just that. All the speed of the modern Photoshop and Lightroom comes from the CPU and GPU optimizations.
Hmmm... that's too bad.
How does Darkroom compare to Lightroom?
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@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@Francesco-Provino said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@Francesco-Provino said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@stacksofplates said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
Why is Photoshop always the scapegoat?
Photoshop will run on Ubuntu, too. I have no idea why people pay for Photoshop, it's nice but not that nice.
WHAT? When?? Please don't say wine or windows virtualization. If you ever work with Photoshop or Lightroom, you'll know these aren't viable alternatives. The Adobe suite has such a superior handling of raw files that this feature only completely blows away the alternatives, IMHO.
What's wrong with Wine?
Both Photoshop and Lightroom aren't working good on Wine… just that. All the speed of the modern Photoshop and Lightroom comes from the CPU and GPU optimizations.
Hmmm... that's too bad.
How does Darkroom compare to Lightroom?
They are not in the same league; they don't even play the same game… it's like windows software raid vs mdadm.
As you know, I'm a big OSS and Linux fan and I use them in any possibile scenario.
But for photo editing the Adobe tool are a completely different league; I also used to edit my D300's raw with ufraw, Darkroom and Gimp for three years, when I had an XPS 15 with Linux.
When I switch to the macbook 15 I decide to give a try to Lightroom and… wow, my photo editing skill has a giant leap in less than a week! Not only the output quality was so much better, but I spend a fraction of time in the editing.
IMHO there is really no comparison between the Adobe suite vs Darkroom/ufraw ecc for raw files editing. I hate Adobe as a company because they completely ignore the Linux world, but they made great stuff.
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@Francesco-Provino well then poop, that just sucks.
