Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review
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Interesting read, how well would something like this work with Starwinds VSAN?
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@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
Interesting read, how well would something like this work with Starwinds VSAN?
Not so great. You can only have a single storage device.
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@travisdh1 Yeah I saw that, which was why I was asking about it.
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As a standalone hypervisor I see something like this as reasonable-esk.
But I have my reservations about it. A system like this seems to push the "buy a SAN" for storage if you need it.
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@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@travisdh1 Yeah I saw that, which was why I was asking about it.
Just taking a quick look at the pricing, you can get those smaller Dell servers with 4 3.5" bays for less, at least in the US.
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@travisdh1 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@travisdh1 Yeah I saw that, which was why I was asking about it.
Just taking a quick look at the pricing, you can get those smaller Dell servers with 4 3.5" bays for less, at least in the US.
Could get a lot of equipment for the price (only ~$900) if you're willing to use refurb equipment. If we're only discussing new servers it would limit the choices a bit.
The single drive limit means no raid functionality to deal with, which also means no raid redundancy. . .
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@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@travisdh1 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@travisdh1 Yeah I saw that, which was why I was asking about it.
Just taking a quick look at the pricing, you can get those smaller Dell servers with 4 3.5" bays for less, at least in the US.
Could get a lot of equipment for the price (only ~$900) if you're willing to use refurb equipment. If we're only discussing new servers it would limit the choices a bit.
The single drive limit means no raid functionality to deal with, which also means no raid redundancy. . .
But if you were building this in a Starwind setup, you wouldn't' need RAID at all.
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@dafyre said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@travisdh1 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@travisdh1 Yeah I saw that, which was why I was asking about it.
Just taking a quick look at the pricing, you can get those smaller Dell servers with 4 3.5" bays for less, at least in the US.
Could get a lot of equipment for the price (only ~$900) if you're willing to use refurb equipment. If we're only discussing new servers it would limit the choices a bit.
The single drive limit means no raid functionality to deal with, which also means no raid redundancy. . .
But if you were building this in a Starwind setup, you wouldn't' need RAID at all.
I suppose, but you're also very limited to the amount of storage you could fit into any single host.
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@dafyre said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@travisdh1 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@travisdh1 Yeah I saw that, which was why I was asking about it.
Just taking a quick look at the pricing, you can get those smaller Dell servers with 4 3.5" bays for less, at least in the US.
Could get a lot of equipment for the price (only ~$900) if you're willing to use refurb equipment. If we're only discussing new servers it would limit the choices a bit.
The single drive limit means no raid functionality to deal with, which also means no raid redundancy. . .
But if you were building this in a Starwind setup, you wouldn't' need RAID at all.
You do. SW doesn't provide the RAID. You'd need KVM software raid.
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@scottalanmiller said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@dafyre said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@travisdh1 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@travisdh1 Yeah I saw that, which was why I was asking about it.
Just taking a quick look at the pricing, you can get those smaller Dell servers with 4 3.5" bays for less, at least in the US.
Could get a lot of equipment for the price (only ~$900) if you're willing to use refurb equipment. If we're only discussing new servers it would limit the choices a bit.
The single drive limit means no raid functionality to deal with, which also means no raid redundancy. . .
But if you were building this in a Starwind setup, you wouldn't' need RAID at all.
You do. SW doesn't provide the RAID. You'd need KVM software raid.
If we're talking about systems with a single disk running with Starwind... If the disk in host 1 dies, everything fails over to host 2, and stays up.
It's not ideal by any stretch of the imagination. But in this case, Starwind saves the day.
Edit: Thus why I say you don't NEED raid.
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But at this price point for server equipment and a single disk, why not just operate your environment off of a consumer grade desktop if SW is going to be taking the reigns.
Why spend more for the equipment. Just spend $300 on 1+X systems, use SW and be done with it.
(devils advocate above).
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@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
But at this price point for server equipment and a single disk, why not just operate your environment off of a consumer grade desktop if SW is going to be taking the reigns.
Why spend more for the equipment. Just spend $300 on 1+X systems, use SW and be done with it.
(devils advocate above).
Enterprise support is the big one. Even in the RAIN model you'll still need to be able to recover individual nodes in a quicker then usual manner.
But that all comes out to what the business needs. If the risk of having little to no support is less then the cost of the support then you have your answer.
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@dafyre said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@scottalanmiller said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@dafyre said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@travisdh1 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@travisdh1 Yeah I saw that, which was why I was asking about it.
Just taking a quick look at the pricing, you can get those smaller Dell servers with 4 3.5" bays for less, at least in the US.
Could get a lot of equipment for the price (only ~$900) if you're willing to use refurb equipment. If we're only discussing new servers it would limit the choices a bit.
The single drive limit means no raid functionality to deal with, which also means no raid redundancy. . .
But if you were building this in a Starwind setup, you wouldn't' need RAID at all.
You do. SW doesn't provide the RAID. You'd need KVM software raid.
If we're talking about systems with a single disk running with Starwind... If the disk in host 1 dies, everything fails over to host 2, and stays up.
It's not ideal by any stretch of the imagination. But in this case, Starwind saves the day.
Edit: Thus why I say you don't NEED raid.
I see. Just single disk systems. You could do that with Nucs.
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@scottalanmiller said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
I see. Just single disk systems. You could do that with Nucs.
Exactly, you could go with the cheapest possible hardware solution that your hypervisor could run on. Not even care if a single host were to die. Just introduce a new device if one does go down.
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@DustinB3403 said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
@scottalanmiller said in Supermicro SuperServer E200-8D and E300-8D – review:
I see. Just single disk systems. You could do that with Nucs.
Exactly, you could go with the cheapest possible hardware solution that your hypervisor could run on. Not even care if a single host were to die. Just introduce a new device if one does go down.
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@travisdh1 Exactly. . .
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The single HD for storage(use m.2 for hypervisor) seems to be worrisome; however the multiple 10GbE is awesome.
I dont know the last time i encountered a failing/failed hd in my home. Many years now. I still have Gen I Sata drives that work from like 6 computers ago. -
It's really a compute node or lab box.
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@DustinB3403 Agree, but in most cases, 4TB HDD will be enough for a small home lab. The key is to build a cluster out of those servers, excluding an additional RAID feature.
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With good SSDs the reliability will be quite high as well, the need for RAID gets pretty low, especially if there is a cluster.
