Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi
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I just completed this guide on Vultr using Nextcloud 12.0.4 and CentOS 7. No issues here. Thanks as these guides are getting me more familiar with Linux vs the appliance install.
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I installed this VM in the NJ datacenter because I had a free 50GB promotional block storage available from a while back waiting to give this a go. I attached the block storage to the VM prior to install, however at the installation screens where you select disks, I wasn't sure how to go about it so I only selected the 25GB disk that came with the $5 instance.
Now that I have everything setup, running df-h is only showing the 25GB storage so I apparently should have chosen both disks. Is there a way to attach the block storage to this nextcloud instance now that it's up and running without having to redo the whole thing? Ideally, I would like to have the 25GB + 50GB block storage for a total of 75GB if possible.
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You can, using LVM to span them. Not an ideal way to use your storage, but it will work. Same as doing it on Windows, really.
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@scottalanmiller When you say "not an ideal way to use your storage", are you referring to adding the block storage on top of the storage already provided in the instance, or trying to manually expand things after the fact?
I guess my question then is if I wanted this to be done right, am I better off just destroying this instance and going through it again, adding the block storage initially from the CentOS install menu? Or is adding the block storage to make the usable space larger not an ideal setup for nextcloud period?
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@zachary715 said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
@scottalanmiller When you say "not an ideal way to use your storage", are you referring to adding the block storage on top of the storage already provided in the instance, or trying to manually expand things after the fact?
I mean creating a span.
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@zachary715 said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
@scottalanmiller When you say "not an ideal way to use your storage", are you referring to adding the block storage on top of the storage already provided in the instance, or trying to manually expand things after the fact?
I guess my question then is if I wanted this to be done right, am I better off just destroying this instance and going through it again, adding the block storage initially from the CentOS install menu? Or is adding the block storage to make the usable space larger not an ideal setup for nextcloud period?
Having two types of storage merged in a span. Either fails, both fail. It's like RAID 0 without the performance benefits. Not ideal in any sense.
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I'm mainly doing this for personal learning and testing so I'll operate it as a span for the time being. If I decide if I want to get more serious with it, I'll look to grab some SATA storage instances if they come available or run it elsewhere. Thanks
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@zachary715 said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
I'm mainly doing this for personal learning and testing so I'll operate it as a span for the time being. If I decide if I want to get more serious with it, I'll look to grab some SATA storage instances if they come available or run it elsewhere. Thanks
Spanning is fine for your own learning. SATA instances pop up all the time, but only last a day or so as everyone has alerts on them.
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@zachary715 said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
I just completed this guide on Vultr using Nextcloud 12.0.4 and CentOS 7. No issues here. Thanks as these guides are getting me more familiar with Linux vs the appliance install.
That is why I write my guides the way I do.
It would be simple to post a big string or shell script to execute that would perform all the steps like magic. But that does not help the person following the guide to know WTF they just did.
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In a scenario where you might want the additional storage capacity in SSD therefore want to add a lot of block storage to an instance, would it make sense to install Nextcloud to the 25GB drive and then relocate the /var/www/html/nextcloud/data directory to the larger block storage space?
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Would there be benefits to this setup from a migration standpoint in the future or in case of boot drive failure?
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Not fully understanding yet what all of these steps are accomplishing during installation and setup, would creating this setup from the get-go be as easy as pointing some of these commands to the directory of the block storage, or more complicated than that? (Not asking you to necessarily show these steps, just inform me)
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Could I migrate to this setup while running? It may be easier to do during installation, but again just trying to learn.
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@zachary715 said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
In a scenario where you might want the additional storage capacity in SSD therefore want to add a lot of block storage to an instance, would it make sense to install Nextcloud to the 25GB drive and then relocate the /var/www/html/nextcloud/data directory to the larger block storage space?
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Would there be benefits to this setup from a migration standpoint in the future or in case of boot drive failure?
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Not fully understanding yet what all of these steps are accomplishing during installation and setup, would creating this setup from the get-go be as easy as pointing some of these commands to the directory of the block storage, or more complicated than that? (Not asking you to necessarily show these steps, just inform me)
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Could I migrate to this setup while running? It may be easier to do during installation, but again just trying to learn.
For production, typically yes. You would normally either use the local space for a tiny instance, use a storage instance for something in the middle, or go to the additional block storage for something really large or performant. In that case, you'd normally not put any data on the local disks, only the OS and apps, as the additional space that you'd get from that would be totally trivial anyway once you were at any size.
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@zachary715 said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
- Could I migrate to this setup while running? It may be easier to do during installation, but again just trying to learn.
Migrating isn't hard but would require some downtime. Maybe just a few minutes, but it would not be zero.
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Alright that's straightforward enough. I was able to mount the block storage and create the symlinks. Ran into a few issues, but no biggie. Now I'd like to scrap what I did and go through it again, except this time make the block storage the default location for the data.
Looking at the guide again, I can see where you create the data directory initially in
/var/www/html/nextcloud/data. I'm assuming we'll skip that step since our data will be in mounted volume/blockstorage.Throughout the rest of the guide, am I essentially changing all the references to
/var/www/html/nextcloud/datato/blockstorage?What other steps should I be aware of?
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@zachary715 said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
Alright that's straightforward enough. I was able to mount the block storage and create the symlinks. Ran into a few issues, but no biggie. Now I'd like to scrap what I did and go through it again, except this time make the block storage the default location for the data.
Looking at the guide again, I can see where you create the data directory initially in
/var/www/html/nextcloud/data. I'm assuming we'll skip that step since our data will be in mounted volume/blockstorage.Throughout the rest of the guide, am I essentially changing all the references to
/var/www/html/nextcloud/datato/blockstorage?What other steps should I be aware of?
If you are doing fresh, I'd be doing it on Fedora 27 as well.
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@scottalanmiller said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
@zachary715 said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
Alright that's straightforward enough. I was able to mount the block storage and create the symlinks. Ran into a few issues, but no biggie. Now I'd like to scrap what I did and go through it again, except this time make the block storage the default location for the data.
Looking at the guide again, I can see where you create the data directory initially in
/var/www/html/nextcloud/data. I'm assuming we'll skip that step since our data will be in mounted volume/blockstorage.Throughout the rest of the guide, am I essentially changing all the references to
/var/www/html/nextcloud/datato/blockstorage?What other steps should I be aware of?
If you are doing fresh, I'd be doing it on Fedora 27 as well.
Correct. I believe there was a Fedora 25 or 26 guide made for this, but I think a couple things need updated now that they handle all the updates correctly.
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@scottalanmiller said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
If you are doing fresh, I'd be doing it on Fedora 27 as well.
So the lifecycle of Fedora versions are around a year correct? On a server like this, can I assume the constant updating of the underlying OS won't negatively impact the NextCloud installation? (I'm coming from Windows world where this is always a consideration). Or are you guys constantly spinning up new VMs and migrating data that frequently?
Either way, I'll give it a shot so that it forces me to do it a little differently.
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@zachary715 said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
@scottalanmiller said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
If you are doing fresh, I'd be doing it on Fedora 27 as well.
So the lifecycle of Fedora versions are around a year correct? On a server like this, can I assume the constant updating of the underlying OS won't negatively impact the NextCloud installation? (I'm coming from Windows world where this is always a consideration). Or are you guys constantly spinning up new VMs and migrating data that frequently?
Either way, I'll give it a shot so that it forces me to do it a little differently.
New versions come on a 6 month cycle. But I have never had something like this break things.
I am sure back when they first switched to systemd it would be an issue.
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@jaredbusch said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
@zachary715 said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
@scottalanmiller said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
If you are doing fresh, I'd be doing it on Fedora 27 as well.
So the lifecycle of Fedora versions are around a year correct? On a server like this, can I assume the constant updating of the underlying OS won't negatively impact the NextCloud installation? (I'm coming from Windows world where this is always a consideration). Or are you guys constantly spinning up new VMs and migrating data that frequently?
Either way, I'll give it a shot so that it forces me to do it a little differently.
New versions come on a 6 month cycle. But I have never had something like this break things.
I am sure back when they first switched to systemd it would be an issue.
Yeah I just meant each version would get support for one year-ish. But ok I'll give that a shot then if I can find that guide.
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@zachary715 said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
@scottalanmiller said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
If you are doing fresh, I'd be doing it on Fedora 27 as well.
So the lifecycle of Fedora versions are around a year correct? On a server like this, can I assume the constant updating of the underlying OS won't negatively impact the NextCloud installation? (I'm coming from Windows world where this is always a consideration). Or are you guys constantly spinning up new VMs and migrating data that frequently?
Either way, I'll give it a shot so that it forces me to do it a little differently.
That's a positive for a server. You don't want long support - that just means planning for bad things from the beginning.
http://www.smbitjournal.com/2017/04/rethinking-long-term-support-releases/
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@zachary715 said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
@jaredbusch said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
@zachary715 said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
@scottalanmiller said in Install NextCloud 11.0.2 on CentOS 7 with PHP 7.1 from Remi:
If you are doing fresh, I'd be doing it on Fedora 27 as well.
So the lifecycle of Fedora versions are around a year correct? On a server like this, can I assume the constant updating of the underlying OS won't negatively impact the NextCloud installation? (I'm coming from Windows world where this is always a consideration). Or are you guys constantly spinning up new VMs and migrating data that frequently?
Either way, I'll give it a shot so that it forces me to do it a little differently.
New versions come on a 6 month cycle. But I have never had something like this break things.
I am sure back when they first switched to systemd it would be an issue.
Yeah I just meant each version would get support for one year-ish. But ok I'll give that a shot then if I can find that guide.
Which is longer than you should be considering keeping old versions around. So the short span of support isn't really a factor at all.
