Non-profit infrastructure upgrades
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@gjacobse said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
I rather enjoyed working the NFP/ NPO angle,.. a frustrating yet satisfying challenge
Frustrating for IT, satisfying for salesman
Horrible tech and business decisions, but really easy to make big profits on if you are willing to do the sales to them. -
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@gjacobse said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
I rather enjoyed working the NFP/ NPO angle,.. a frustrating yet satisfying challenge
Frustrating for IT, satisfying for salesman
Horrible tech and business decisions, but really easy to make big profits on if you are willing to do the sales to them.I was the sole it person,.. not sales... my last place of employment - also an NPO hired four people to support the 19 counties I did by myself, they also had just two people for a help desk,....
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Holy cow... all kinds of bad seems likely here.
They can probably save a ton.
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A sign of things to come from the relationship.
I would look into getting a new MSP.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
Core packs for Standard or Datacenter?
2016 Standard
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Appreciate all the input. I'll have to get back to you on the exact server usage.
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@Danp said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
Core packs for Standard or Datacenter?
2016 Standard
For 2016 Standard in order to be able to move the VM's between the hosts (at will), both host have to be equally licensed. So if you only need 16 licenses for a single server, you have to double it for a 2 server setup.
Each license pack is dedicated to the hardware, to operate the VM's on that rack or tower.
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Everyone has pretty much summed it up nicely. Lots of bad decisions that will cost more then it should. I will echo one of the other posters. What is the load that you currently have?
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Something else to ask them, how much does downtime cost them? Do they really need failover at this level?
If they don't need that amount of uptime, then use the second server as a DR only platform. Then you don't have to license it at all. You replicate to it, but all VMs only run on one hosts and only in the case of a disaster do you spin them up on the other one. Then you wait 90 days before moving them back to the original host.
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@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
Then you wait 90 days before moving them back to the original host.
No, you can move them back under DR. We just had this discussion with link to the MS document.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
Then you wait 90 days before moving them back to the original host.
No, you can move them back under DR. We just had this discussion with link to the MS document.
Oh, that's right, DR is a special case.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
A sign of things to come from the relationship.
I would look into getting a new MSP.
Or getting an MSP at all. Leave the VARs behind. You didn't get IT there, you got sales.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Breffni-Potter said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
A sign of things to come from the relationship.
I would look into getting a new MSP.
Or getting an MSP at all. Leave the VARs behind. You didn't get IT there, you got sales.
Exactly - What they need to look for is someone who will make recommendations but not sell them those recommendations.
Oh, and they can't recommend who to purchase from either, unless it's someone like Amazon or Dell/HPE direct. If they are pushing you toward a specific reseller, chances are there is back end money there.
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@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Breffni-Potter said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
A sign of things to come from the relationship.
I would look into getting a new MSP.
Or getting an MSP at all. Leave the VARs behind. You didn't get IT there, you got sales.
Exactly - What they need to look for is someone who will make recommendations but not sell them those recommendations.
And this brings up a question of management - what manager allowed the bad IT to happen in the past then jumped right back to what we assume are the same mistakes without learning from his past mistakes? This sounds like a core management, rather than an IT, problem. Basic misunderstanding of how to acquire recommendations.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Breffni-Potter said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
A sign of things to come from the relationship.
I would look into getting a new MSP.
Or getting an MSP at all. Leave the VARs behind. You didn't get IT there, you got sales.
Exactly - What they need to look for is someone who will make recommendations but not sell them those recommendations.
And this brings up a question of management - what manager allowed the bad IT to happen in the past then jumped right back to what we assume are the same mistakes without learning from his past mistakes? This sounds like a core management, rather than an IT, problem. Basic misunderstanding of how to acquire recommendations.
Well to me this brings up - how is management suppose to know a good from a bad MSP/ITSP, etc.
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@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Breffni-Potter said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
A sign of things to come from the relationship.
I would look into getting a new MSP.
Or getting an MSP at all. Leave the VARs behind. You didn't get IT there, you got sales.
Exactly - What they need to look for is someone who will make recommendations but not sell them those recommendations.
And this brings up a question of management - what manager allowed the bad IT to happen in the past then jumped right back to what we assume are the same mistakes without learning from his past mistakes? This sounds like a core management, rather than an IT, problem. Basic misunderstanding of how to acquire recommendations.
Well to me this brings up - how is management suppose to know a good from a bad MSP/ITSP, etc.
Good or bad is hard. VAR vs consultant is easy. This isn't about being bad at finding someone. This is about not knowing business basics or common sense. Totally different. Get past the black and white stuff, then we can tackle the Grey stuff.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Breffni-Potter said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
A sign of things to come from the relationship.
I would look into getting a new MSP.
Or getting an MSP at all. Leave the VARs behind. You didn't get IT there, you got sales.
Exactly - What they need to look for is someone who will make recommendations but not sell them those recommendations.
And this brings up a question of management - what manager allowed the bad IT to happen in the past then jumped right back to what we assume are the same mistakes without learning from his past mistakes? This sounds like a core management, rather than an IT, problem. Basic misunderstanding of how to acquire recommendations.
Well to me this brings up - how is management suppose to know a good from a bad MSP/ITSP, etc.
Good or bad is hard. VAR vs consultant is easy. This isn't about being bad at finding someone. This is about not knowing business basics or common sense. Totally different. Get past the black and white stuff, then we can tackle the Grey stuff.
I feel that this just isn't something known as business basics or common sense or street smarts - whatever you want to call it, I think this is something that needs to be learned, and it's not even being taught in most cases. Is it there to learn, sure, but frankly I think it's more the luck of the draw that you learn it than it's the standard that everyone learns. Critical thinking isn't something taught in primary school.
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@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Breffni-Potter said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
A sign of things to come from the relationship.
I would look into getting a new MSP.
Or getting an MSP at all. Leave the VARs behind. You didn't get IT there, you got sales.
Exactly - What they need to look for is someone who will make recommendations but not sell them those recommendations.
And this brings up a question of management - what manager allowed the bad IT to happen in the past then jumped right back to what we assume are the same mistakes without learning from his past mistakes? This sounds like a core management, rather than an IT, problem. Basic misunderstanding of how to acquire recommendations.
Well to me this brings up - how is management suppose to know a good from a bad MSP/ITSP, etc.
Good or bad is hard. VAR vs consultant is easy. This isn't about being bad at finding someone. This is about not knowing business basics or common sense. Totally different. Get past the black and white stuff, then we can tackle the Grey stuff.
I feel that this just isn't something known as business basics or common sense or street smarts - whatever you want to call it, I think this is something that needs to be learned, and it's not even being taught in most cases. Is it there to learn, sure, but frankly I think it's more the luck of the draw that you learn it than it's the standard that everyone learns. Critical thinking isn't something taught in primary school.
Well it is. Knowing who is selling something and who you paid for advice is a basic adult skill. Really basic.
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@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Dashrender said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
@Breffni-Potter said in Non-profit infrastructure upgrades:
A sign of things to come from the relationship.
I would look into getting a new MSP.
Or getting an MSP at all. Leave the VARs behind. You didn't get IT there, you got sales.
Exactly - What they need to look for is someone who will make recommendations but not sell them those recommendations.
And this brings up a question of management - what manager allowed the bad IT to happen in the past then jumped right back to what we assume are the same mistakes without learning from his past mistakes? This sounds like a core management, rather than an IT, problem. Basic misunderstanding of how to acquire recommendations.
Well to me this brings up - how is management suppose to know a good from a bad MSP/ITSP, etc.
Good or bad is hard. VAR vs consultant is easy. This isn't about being bad at finding someone. This is about not knowing business basics or common sense. Totally different. Get past the black and white stuff, then we can tackle the Grey stuff.
I feel that this just isn't something known as business basics or common sense or street smarts - whatever you want to call it, I think this is something that needs to be learned, and it's not even being taught in most cases. Is it there to learn, sure, but frankly I think it's more the luck of the draw that you learn it than it's the standard that everyone learns. Critical thinking isn't something taught in primary school.
No need to teach it. This is WAY more fundamental than that. This is ridiculously basic. Saying someone needs to be taught that is inappropriately insulting and condescending. You are saying that they literally can't identify "buying something".
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It boils down to critical thinking.
Sure, you know when you are paying someone for advice vs just buying something - but the countless times any of us are wandering through an electronics store and hear some person ask the sales person for advice tells me that buyer is clearly not critically thinking about who they are asking this question to, and therefore are ending up in the situation they are in.
