What's making ML different than other communities ?
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@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
Here in this topic, my question is what's making ML special/different from other communities or what's the vision with this ?
One thing that makes the community a bit different is that it is fast, really fast. You post and people are responding right away, sometimes before you even navigate away from the thread. But I don't just mean that the people are fast, which they are, but the actual community is very fast. It's basically like a real time chat forum, in a way.
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@StrongBad said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
Here in this topic, my question is what's making ML special/different from other communities or what's the vision with this ?
One thing that makes the community a bit different is that it is fast, really fast. You post and people are responding right away, sometimes before you even navigate away from the thread. But I don't just mean that the people are fast, which they are, but the actual community is very fast. It's basically like a real time chat forum, in a way.
I am seeing that
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@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
Here in this topic, my question is what's making ML special/different from other communities or what's the vision with this ?
Well, ML set out to be an open to all, fully public, IT peer community focused on technical content and career development. All people in the IT space are free and encouraged to join including vendors who are and always will be completely free. That the membership is open to everyone and all conversations are public are key differences between ML and many other communities. There is no "vendor sponsor" of the community, the only vendor payment interactions are for the ads that you see. The focus of the community is IT to IT connections and interactions, not IT to vendor interactions. There are actually very few, if any, communities that compete in this particular space without being silly like Yahoo Answers or its modern equivalent, Reddit. Communities tend to spring up around a vendor product or around IT buyers rather than IT pros. I literally don't know another vendor agnostic IT pro community.
Key differentiator.... ML is a social community for discussions, not a Question and Answer forum like ServerFault. Very different focus.
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How do we get higher vendor engagement in a place like ML?
I know we have several vendors that do engage here, but it would be nice to see the big guns like HPE, Dell, VMWare, etc to participate.
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@Dashrender said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
How do we get higher vendor engagement in a place like ML?
I know we have several vendors that do engage here, but it would be nice to see the big guns like HPE, Dell, VMWare, etc to participate.
Believe it or not, because of the way that marketing departments often work, if you don't charge, they can't participate. But it is purely their discretion.
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@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
Here in this topic, my question is what's making ML special/different from other communities or what's the vision with this ?
Well, ML set out to be an open to all, fully public, IT peer community focused on technical content and career development. All people in the IT space are free and encouraged to join including vendors who are and always will be completely free. That the membership is open to everyone and all conversations are public are key differences between ML and many other communities. There is no "vendor sponsor" of the community, the only vendor payment interactions are for the ads that you see. The focus of the community is IT to IT connections and interactions, not IT to vendor interactions. There are actually very few, if any, communities that compete in this particular space without being silly like Yahoo Answers or its modern equivalent, Reddit. Communities tend to spring up around a vendor product or around IT buyers rather than IT pros. I literally don't know another vendor agnostic IT pro community.
Key differentiator.... ML is a social community for discussions, not a Question and Answer forum like ServerFault. Very different focus.
I see.
Is that the reason (peer-to-peer discussion) why I am not seeing any "Best answer", "Helpful post" kinda options ?
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@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
Here in this topic, my question is what's making ML special/different from other communities or what's the vision with this ?
Well, ML set out to be an open to all, fully public, IT peer community focused on technical content and career development. All people in the IT space are free and encouraged to join including vendors who are and always will be completely free. That the membership is open to everyone and all conversations are public are key differences between ML and many other communities. There is no "vendor sponsor" of the community, the only vendor payment interactions are for the ads that you see. The focus of the community is IT to IT connections and interactions, not IT to vendor interactions. There are actually very few, if any, communities that compete in this particular space without being silly like Yahoo Answers or its modern equivalent, Reddit. Communities tend to spring up around a vendor product or around IT buyers rather than IT pros. I literally don't know another vendor agnostic IT pro community.
Key differentiator.... ML is a social community for discussions, not a Question and Answer forum like ServerFault. Very different focus.
I see.
Is that the reason (peer-to-peer discussion) why I am not seeing any "Best answer", "Helpful post" kinda options ?
Well there is a "mark as a question" option and a "this is the answer". But there is no points system, that's known to be very problematic and deteriorate discussion (and answer) quality. So the purpose of marking things like that is relatively pointless (pub intended.) I don't know of any community but one that has those and they don't work well at all.
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@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
Here in this topic, my question is what's making ML special/different from other communities or what's the vision with this ?
Well, ML set out to be an open to all, fully public, IT peer community focused on technical content and career development. All people in the IT space are free and encouraged to join including vendors who are and always will be completely free. That the membership is open to everyone and all conversations are public are key differences between ML and many other communities. There is no "vendor sponsor" of the community, the only vendor payment interactions are for the ads that you see. The focus of the community is IT to IT connections and interactions, not IT to vendor interactions. There are actually very few, if any, communities that compete in this particular space without being silly like Yahoo Answers or its modern equivalent, Reddit. Communities tend to spring up around a vendor product or around IT buyers rather than IT pros. I literally don't know another vendor agnostic IT pro community.
Key differentiator.... ML is a social community for discussions, not a Question and Answer forum like ServerFault. Very different focus.
I see.
Is that the reason (peer-to-peer discussion) why I am not seeing any "Best answer", "Helpful post" kinda options ?
Well there is a "mark as a question" option and a "this is the answer". But there is no points system, that's known to be very problematic and deteriorate discussion (and answer) quality. So the purpose of marking things like that is relatively pointless (pub intended.) I don't know of any community but one that has those and they don't work well at all.
It also means that if you want to see if a thread has an answer to the OP, you kinda have to read most if not all of the thread
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@Dashrender said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
Here in this topic, my question is what's making ML special/different from other communities or what's the vision with this ?
Well, ML set out to be an open to all, fully public, IT peer community focused on technical content and career development. All people in the IT space are free and encouraged to join including vendors who are and always will be completely free. That the membership is open to everyone and all conversations are public are key differences between ML and many other communities. There is no "vendor sponsor" of the community, the only vendor payment interactions are for the ads that you see. The focus of the community is IT to IT connections and interactions, not IT to vendor interactions. There are actually very few, if any, communities that compete in this particular space without being silly like Yahoo Answers or its modern equivalent, Reddit. Communities tend to spring up around a vendor product or around IT buyers rather than IT pros. I literally don't know another vendor agnostic IT pro community.
Key differentiator.... ML is a social community for discussions, not a Question and Answer forum like ServerFault. Very different focus.
I see.
Is that the reason (peer-to-peer discussion) why I am not seeing any "Best answer", "Helpful post" kinda options ?
Well there is a "mark as a question" option and a "this is the answer". But there is no points system, that's known to be very problematic and deteriorate discussion (and answer) quality. So the purpose of marking things like that is relatively pointless (pub intended.) I don't know of any community but one that has those and they don't work well at all.
It also means that if you want to see if a thread has an answer to the OP, you kinda have to read most if not all of the thread
It puts a "solved" tag right at top. You can see it is solved before even opening the thread.
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@Dashrender because ML provide the platform to ask any questions in technical or else in discussion on every topic
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@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@Dashrender said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
Here in this topic, my question is what's making ML special/different from other communities or what's the vision with this ?
Well, ML set out to be an open to all, fully public, IT peer community focused on technical content and career development. All people in the IT space are free and encouraged to join including vendors who are and always will be completely free. That the membership is open to everyone and all conversations are public are key differences between ML and many other communities. There is no "vendor sponsor" of the community, the only vendor payment interactions are for the ads that you see. The focus of the community is IT to IT connections and interactions, not IT to vendor interactions. There are actually very few, if any, communities that compete in this particular space without being silly like Yahoo Answers or its modern equivalent, Reddit. Communities tend to spring up around a vendor product or around IT buyers rather than IT pros. I literally don't know another vendor agnostic IT pro community.
Key differentiator.... ML is a social community for discussions, not a Question and Answer forum like ServerFault. Very different focus.
I see.
Is that the reason (peer-to-peer discussion) why I am not seeing any "Best answer", "Helpful post" kinda options ?
Well there is a "mark as a question" option and a "this is the answer". But there is no points system, that's known to be very problematic and deteriorate discussion (and answer) quality. So the purpose of marking things like that is relatively pointless (pub intended.) I don't know of any community but one that has those and they don't work well at all.
It also means that if you want to see if a thread has an answer to the OP, you kinda have to read most if not all of the thread
It puts a "solved" tag right at top. You can see it is solved before even opening the thread.
If it's marked as a question - which is rare right now. and often resolutions are come to over several posts. There probably really isn't a solution short of a sum up post.
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@Dashrender said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@Dashrender said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
Here in this topic, my question is what's making ML special/different from other communities or what's the vision with this ?
Well, ML set out to be an open to all, fully public, IT peer community focused on technical content and career development. All people in the IT space are free and encouraged to join including vendors who are and always will be completely free. That the membership is open to everyone and all conversations are public are key differences between ML and many other communities. There is no "vendor sponsor" of the community, the only vendor payment interactions are for the ads that you see. The focus of the community is IT to IT connections and interactions, not IT to vendor interactions. There are actually very few, if any, communities that compete in this particular space without being silly like Yahoo Answers or its modern equivalent, Reddit. Communities tend to spring up around a vendor product or around IT buyers rather than IT pros. I literally don't know another vendor agnostic IT pro community.
Key differentiator.... ML is a social community for discussions, not a Question and Answer forum like ServerFault. Very different focus.
I see.
Is that the reason (peer-to-peer discussion) why I am not seeing any "Best answer", "Helpful post" kinda options ?
Well there is a "mark as a question" option and a "this is the answer". But there is no points system, that's known to be very problematic and deteriorate discussion (and answer) quality. So the purpose of marking things like that is relatively pointless (pub intended.) I don't know of any community but one that has those and they don't work well at all.
It also means that if you want to see if a thread has an answer to the OP, you kinda have to read most if not all of the thread
It puts a "solved" tag right at top. You can see it is solved before even opening the thread.
If it's marked as a question - which is rare right now. and often resolutions are come to over several posts. There probably really isn't a solution short of a sum up post.
Even on ServerFault that is relatively rare.
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Well, I am done here. I will close the topic
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One more thing I have observed is, there is no OP mentionings (like SW) on OP posts....to identify who is the OP in huge number of replies in topic.
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@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
One more thing I have observed is, there is no OP mentionings (like SW) on OP posts....to identify who is the OP in huge number of replies in topic.
That is something that I very much miss. Figuring out who the OP is can be a huge pain a lot of the time.
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@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
One more thing I have observed is, there is no OP mentionings (like SW) on OP posts....to identify who is the OP in huge number of replies in topic.
That is something that I very much miss. Figuring out who the OP is can be a huge pain a lot of the time.
Other than referring to the OP by name, what difference does this make? Is it because as time goes on, you get to know them... and knowing who's asking the question allows you to make assumptions based on that past relationship?
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@Dashrender said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
Other than referring to the OP by name, what difference does this make? Is it because as time goes on, you get to know them... and knowing who's asking the question allows you to make assumptions based on that past relationship?
A lot, it has cut down significantly on people responding to responders as if their own information is what is being discussed. Before SW added the OP identifier it was a huge issue that someone would post an issue then all kinds of other things got discussed in the thread - because people could not tell to whom they were responding. It doesn't avoid changes of topic on purpose, but it does a lot to fix the accidental "I think you mistook me for the OP" stuff that was rampant.
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@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@Dashrender said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
Other than referring to the OP by name, what difference does this make? Is it because as time goes on, you get to know them... and knowing who's asking the question allows you to make assumptions based on that past relationship?
A lot, it has cut down significantly on people responding to responders as if their own information is what is being discussed. Before SW added the OP identifier it was a huge issue that someone would post an issue then all kinds of other things got discussed in the thread - because people could not tell to whom they were responding. It doesn't avoid changes of topic on purpose, but it does a lot to fix the accidental "I think you mistook me for the OP" stuff that was rampant.
awww.. Ok that make sense.
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@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
One more thing I have observed is, there is no OP mentionings (like SW) on OP posts....to identify who is the OP in huge number of replies in topic.
That is something that I very much miss. Figuring out who the OP is can be a huge pain a lot of the time.
Ask if anyone else is interested in this idea on the NodeBB forums. It is a perfect candidate for a plugin. certainly not a core feature for the project.
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@JaredBusch said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@scottalanmiller said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
@mobeen said in What's making ML different than other communities ?:
One more thing I have observed is, there is no OP mentionings (like SW) on OP posts....to identify who is the OP in huge number of replies in topic.
That is something that I very much miss. Figuring out who the OP is can be a huge pain a lot of the time.
Ask if anyone else is interested in this idea on the NodeBB forums. It is a perfect candidate for a plugin. certainly not a core feature for the project.
I definitely will. It's a good idea and probably really minor to implement.
