Of What Should Baseline IT Education Consist
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@scottalanmiller said in Of What Should Baseline IT Education Consist:
But very few because teaching is not that rewarding and the pay is bad.
I'm not sure what you consider good or bad pay, but our local community college pays around $30/hr for teachers, $60K isn't bad. Sure it's no senior IT Admin.
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@Dashrender said in Of What Should Baseline IT Education Consist:
@scottalanmiller said in Of What Should Baseline IT Education Consist:
You have to be able to self educate or it's game over.
Isn't this the case in nearly any professional field though? Sure doctors can go to lectures, but they are just as likely to read things and watch video as to attend a lecture or watch someone do it live.
No, not in most. There is little to no need to self educate to any significant degree in any major field. Those who do have benefits, of course, but many fields force non-self education to keep the brightest from getting too much advantage. No matter how much you know as a medical student, you don't get to just be a functional doctor. It's not about how much you know or how competent you are, it's about paying into the system. So self education isn't very valuable. And the same stays true throughout later their careers.
What career requires daily or weekly or whatever updates like IT? Almost none, maybe actually none. Think about an accountant - how much new stuff do they need to learn year over year?
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@Dashrender said in Of What Should Baseline IT Education Consist:
@scottalanmiller said in Of What Should Baseline IT Education Consist:
But very few because teaching is not that rewarding and the pay is bad.
I'm not sure what you consider good or bad pay, but our local community college pays around $30/hr for teachers, $60K isn't bad. Sure it's no senior IT Admin.
That's horrific. So a starting enterprise Linux admin on Wall St., that's someone with no college, no experience was nearly double that a decade ago. Think about that. And who do you want teaching classes? It needs to be someone that knows the material, knows the field, has experience and is a viable teacher on top of that. So in reality, anyone that you want to even remotely consider as a teaching is going to be able to earn $120K - $180K somewhere in the field. And there is little to no upward mobility in teaching, there are huge amounts of politics and career risk, there is little opportunity if you end up not liking the position or coworkers, almost no flexibility to do anything. There are big vacation benefits, but at locked in, awful times (only when there are big crowds and high prices.) You give up far more than most fields require and in return, you get very low pay.
If your professor can't just walk into any Senior IT level interview (for their discipline) as a top candidate, what use are they in teaching students? If students hope to graduate above the level of their professors, there is something really screwed up.
So while $60K salary might be decent if you get to live in a low cost area, have a low stress job that you like, get soft benefits that make it make sense; I'd say it is a guarantee that the university system cannot possibly provide any reliably meaningful form of IT education.
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I do realize that Wall St. is on the high side of salaries. But we are talking entry level people in systems administration. In Texas we were going to pay more than that for high school kids if they could show a little Linux aptitude.
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@scottalanmiller said in Of What Should Baseline IT Education Consist:
I do realize that Wall St. is on the high side of salaries. But we are talking entry level people in systems administration. In Texas we were going to pay more than that for high school kids if they could show a little Linux aptitude.
Not just high, extreme and rare outside of wallstreet is what I would say - perhaps also on the london equivalent.
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@Dashrender said in Of What Should Baseline IT Education Consist:
@scottalanmiller said in Of What Should Baseline IT Education Consist:
I do realize that Wall St. is on the high side of salaries. But we are talking entry level people in systems administration. In Texas we were going to pay more than that for high school kids if they could show a little Linux aptitude.
Not just high, extreme and rare outside of wallstreet is what I would say - perhaps also on the london equivalent.
But it's not. Yes, it's on the high side. But most people don't even claim that to be the high paying industry. The start up industry is paying $300K for system admins these days. You can make nearly $200K in non-profits. And the big boys like Google, MS, Amazon, FB, Oracle, IBM.... they can't pay much less. Less, sure. But they can't fundamentally pay less or they can't hire. These are huge sectors that can't get enough people. These jobs are actually out there.
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It's definitely not extreme or rare. System administration is a high paying field. The exceptions are the low paying, in reality. $200K is certainly high, but $100K is not. And $100K is enough to make a $60K professor job very, very low.
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According to me, every student should know the Following things
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Set Up a simple Backup system
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Do Everything faster with shortcuts
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Protect yourself with viruses
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Set Up the Network
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Keep your PC Free of Cap
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Access your Home Computer from Everywhere
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Keep your computer in tip Top shape with regular maintenance
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Instantly share a file with another computer
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Easily find your lost or stolen gadget
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Keep Your Personal Information safe & secure.
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What about standard interfaces? Representative ideas such as icons, folders, files and data structures?
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How to download something with out getting a drive by download or some kind of malware.
That's kind of like google skills, but from what I understand lots of students get sucked in to drivers.com and the like.
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Pinging, anyone have additional thoughts?
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So, since college really isnt applicable anymore, let alone trade schools. Everybody has written a book.
My next venture would be for mentorship through an msp of some type, such as job shadowing or somethingof that nature.
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@NerdyDad said in Of What Should Baseline IT Education Consist:
So, since college really isnt applicable anymore, let alone trade schools. Everybody has written a book.
My next venture would be for mentorship through an msp of some type, such as job shadowing or somethingof that nature.
Yes, but what skills should they know before that?
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A lot of this has already been discussed.
Needs to know before L0 (Similar to A+, minus the old tech that you won't see anymore)
- Computer hardware
- knowledge of administrating OSs
- File Systems
- Interfaces and cables (At the computer)
- Networking devices & mediums (WiFi, copper, fiber)
- Administering a Soho wireless network
- TCP/IP Suite w/ OSI Model
Needs to know before L1 (Similar to Net+, with additional prerequisites)
- Backups
- Cyber Security
- LDAP/AD Administration
- Touch on logic and programming
- Touch on databases
- Touch on Web technologies
- WAN protocols
- Virtualization
An actual administrator (Sys Admin, Net Admin, etc.) would have more focused training depending on their field & specialty
