My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016
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@Dashrender said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
@JaredBusch said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
It is all up enough for me to get out of the colo, so I am.
But here is an interesting change. They removed even more GUI. Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 still had the normal Server 2012 R2 locked screen after boot.
Not Hyper-V 2016.
I never understood this - is there something inherent to Windows that makes it require windowing like that? why not just terminal text on a screen like Linux/Unix?
Yes. There is no TTY display on Windows currently. They'd have to fundamentally change how things work to switch that. Could they? Of course. But it would change a lot of the underpinnings that I'm guessing they do not want to change. I've yet to hear of a Windows Admin complaining that they can't hook up a serial cable to work on their Windows box, so until they do, I doubt MS sees a reason to move to such a setup.
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@scottalanmiller said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
@Dashrender said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
@JaredBusch said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
It is all up enough for me to get out of the colo, so I am.
But here is an interesting change. They removed even more GUI. Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 still had the normal Server 2012 R2 locked screen after boot.
Not Hyper-V 2016.
I never understood this - is there something inherent to Windows that makes it require windowing like that? why not just terminal text on a screen like Linux/Unix?
Yes. There is no TTY display on Windows currently. They'd have to fundamentally change how things work to switch that. Could they? Of course. But it would change a lot of the underpinnings that I'm guessing they do not want to change. I've yet to hear of a Windows Admin complaining that they can't hook up a serial cable to work on their Windows box, so until they do, I doubt MS sees a reason to move to such a setup.
Plus ... marketing!
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@scottalanmiller said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
@Dashrender said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
@JaredBusch said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
It is all up enough for me to get out of the colo, so I am.
But here is an interesting change. They removed even more GUI. Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 still had the normal Server 2012 R2 locked screen after boot.
Not Hyper-V 2016.
I never understood this - is there something inherent to Windows that makes it require windowing like that? why not just terminal text on a screen like Linux/Unix?
Yes. There is no TTY display on Windows currently. They'd have to fundamentally change how things work to switch that. Could they? Of course. But it would change a lot of the underpinnings that I'm guessing they do not want to change. I've yet to hear of a Windows Admin complaining that they can't hook up a serial cable to work on their Windows box, so until they do, I doubt MS sees a reason to move to such a setup.
I'm not talking about a serial cable. I don't hook a serial cable up to machines running linux, I connect a monitor to my VGA adapter and get a full screen terminal, not a windowed screen like JB shows above.
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@Dashrender said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
@scottalanmiller said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
@Dashrender said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
@JaredBusch said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
It is all up enough for me to get out of the colo, so I am.
But here is an interesting change. They removed even more GUI. Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 still had the normal Server 2012 R2 locked screen after boot.
Not Hyper-V 2016.
I never understood this - is there something inherent to Windows that makes it require windowing like that? why not just terminal text on a screen like Linux/Unix?
Yes. There is no TTY display on Windows currently. They'd have to fundamentally change how things work to switch that. Could they? Of course. But it would change a lot of the underpinnings that I'm guessing they do not want to change. I've yet to hear of a Windows Admin complaining that they can't hook up a serial cable to work on their Windows box, so until they do, I doubt MS sees a reason to move to such a setup.
I'm not talking about a serial cable. I don't hook a serial cable up to machines running linux, I connect a monitor to my VGA adapter and get a full screen terminal, not a windowed screen like JB shows above.
You are though, you just don't realize it. That's why Linux, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, BSD all look alike, that's a TTY redirect to the screen. Windows doesn't have the serial cable TTY, so doesn't have that redirect.
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@scottalanmiller said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
@Dashrender said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
@scottalanmiller said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
@Dashrender said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
@JaredBusch said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
It is all up enough for me to get out of the colo, so I am.
But here is an interesting change. They removed even more GUI. Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 still had the normal Server 2012 R2 locked screen after boot.
Not Hyper-V 2016.
I never understood this - is there something inherent to Windows that makes it require windowing like that? why not just terminal text on a screen like Linux/Unix?
Yes. There is no TTY display on Windows currently. They'd have to fundamentally change how things work to switch that. Could they? Of course. But it would change a lot of the underpinnings that I'm guessing they do not want to change. I've yet to hear of a Windows Admin complaining that they can't hook up a serial cable to work on their Windows box, so until they do, I doubt MS sees a reason to move to such a setup.
I'm not talking about a serial cable. I don't hook a serial cable up to machines running linux, I connect a monitor to my VGA adapter and get a full screen terminal, not a windowed screen like JB shows above.
You are though, you just don't realize it. That's why Linux, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, BSD all look alike, that's a TTY redirect to the screen. Windows doesn't have the serial cable TTY, so doesn't have that redirect.
OIC.
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It's really a combination of Windows being from the 1990s and UNIX being from the 1970s and UNIX using RISC hardware most of the time (back then) and Windows using commodity hardware most of the time. Commodity hardware always has graphical output, but non-commodity big iron basically never does, it just has the serial connection. This is what caused the underlying different. Could Microsoft make their system LOOK LIKE how Linux presents their TTY? Of course they can, but why? Could Linux make theirs appear like how Windows looks? Actually no, they can't, not without adding a Windowing layer. But that's because it uses a base character generator and Windows has a graphical layer. But under the hood, it makes sense. One isn't better or worse, it's just different heritages led to different ways of presenting a basic screen. I prefer the Linux way only because it gives me a nostalgic feeling for the old days. Back when I started on UNIX, we didn't have Windowing environments at all, so character generators was all that there was. I miss the clicky IBM keyboards, too.
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You know you can still buy those.
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@Dashrender said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
You know you can still buy those.
Buy what, servers?
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@scottalanmiller You can still buy the IBM clicky keyboards www.pckeyboard.com
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@jt1001001 said in My experiences with Hyper-V Server 2016:
@scottalanmiller You can still buy the IBM clicky keyboards www.pckeyboard.com
Oh!! Lol
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@jt1001001 yeah, I got one of those unicomp 7 years ago… it works great, still my main keyboard. Big import taxes US -> Italy, but great feelings!
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Old thread but I just found this out after wasting a few hours last evening trying to get Hyper-V 2016 on my Dell 2950 lab server. Processors need to support SLAT
http://www.nodefinity.net/post/hyper-v-on-poweredge-2900-2950-the-end-of-the-road-is-windows-server-2012-r2
