Buying vs Saving Economic Theory
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I have no clue what that state of the economy of Italy is, but I do recall hearing about how poor the internet infrastructure is there.
Not that I (as a US citizen) can say much.. in non cities, it's pretty horrible too.
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@Dashrender said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
I have no clue what that state of the economy of Italy is, but I do recall hearing about how poor the internet infrastructure is there.
Not that I (as a US citizen) can say much.. in non cities, it's pretty horrible too.
In the little cities of Sicily is not that good (7-20Mbit ADSL), but we're going to get FTTC (50Mbit and up) this year in almost every city with >10k peoples. The big cities (>200k) are all already covered with FTTC, an the biggest one are already on full FTTH with connectivity up to 1Gbps.
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@Dashrender said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
I have no clue what that state of the economy of Italy is, but I do recall hearing about how poor the internet infrastructure is there.
Not that I (as a US citizen) can say much.. in non cities, it's pretty horrible too.
In cities for the most part it is also pretty terrible.
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@Dashrender said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Dashrender said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Dashrender said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
Of course, how do you handle the transition of the current middle class, or even the wealthy - i.e. the beach houses, etc... you're putting 98% all on the same level, most of those awesome places to live would have to be completely redone, or they would simply be vacant - but you still have the rare resource of beach front property, other than the 2% who will probably get more than the 98%, how do you decide who gets to be at the ocean and who doesn't?
Yes we've moved away from the economy discussion, perhaps this post needs to be in your new thread?
People still GET to work. Anyone who wants to contribute can do so. That will create the classes. It's that we take the bottom class and make it pretty attractive. Think Star Trek world.
No one is blocked from working, just no one has to.
Now this is interesting... So, if a person wants to work for a company they can - but what if that employee is bad for the company? it's no different than today in a lot of ways, only now that person has potential mental issues because - but that was true even before they wanted to work there... so...
rambling thought is all.
Yes, did you think that it was going to be a crime to attempt to work? Not so at all, it's just that everyone gets baseline money so that no one HAS to work.
No not a crime to attempt to work.. a neglect of those who want to so they can be part of the 2%, but aren't good enough.
They aren't a part of it today. They are more neglected now. So that's not a new problem.
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@coliver said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Dashrender said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
I have no clue what that state of the economy of Italy is, but I do recall hearing about how poor the internet infrastructure is there.
Not that I (as a US citizen) can say much.. in non cities, it's pretty horrible too.
In cities for the most part it is also pretty terrible.
So far the Internet is working fine here. And we are insanely remote.
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3Mb/s. For a remote island village, it's good enough
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Also we are in a rental. If we were buying our own that was always on, it would be totally different. This is a service that gets turned on only when needed.
In Rome, it was 300Mb/s I think for $35
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@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@coliver said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Dashrender said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
I have no clue what that state of the economy of Italy is, but I do recall hearing about how poor the internet infrastructure is there.
Not that I (as a US citizen) can say much.. in non cities, it's pretty horrible too.
In cities for the most part it is also pretty terrible.
So far the Internet is working fine here. And we are insanely remote.
I meant cities in the US as per @Dashrender's post.
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@coliver said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@coliver said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Dashrender said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
I have no clue what that state of the economy of Italy is, but I do recall hearing about how poor the internet infrastructure is there.
Not that I (as a US citizen) can say much.. in non cities, it's pretty horrible too.
In cities for the most part it is also pretty terrible.
So far the Internet is working fine here. And we are insanely remote.
I meant cities in the US as per @Dashrender's post.
oh
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@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Dashrender said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
I have no clue what that state of the economy of Italy is, but I do recall hearing about how poor the internet infrastructure is there.
Not that I (as a US citizen) can say much.. in non cities, it's pretty horrible too.
In the little cities of Sicily is not that good (7-20Mbit ADSL), but we're going to get FTTC (50Mbit and up) this year in almost every city with >10k peoples. The big cities (>200k) are all already covered with FTTC, an the biggest one are already on full FTTH with connectivity up to 1Gbps.
It's comea long way quickly. Italy was terrible a few years ago.
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@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@DustinB3403 said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Mike-Davis and what exactly is wrong with WEP?!
(sarcasm boys)
That's all that they have here on Sicily where we are
What? Over 95% of WLAN in Sicily is WPA2, from my experience.
You must have met some of the 5% outdated/misconfigured stuff.
New provider's WLAN setup for consumer are ALL WPA2 and they have been WPA2 for years. Every public structure have WPA2 for sure. Every public university in Italy is part of EduRoam, so is WPA2 enterprise with RADIUS.You don't deal with the tourism rental business much, I would guess.
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"new and improved" is an American cultural value. Products like "Coke Classic" being perceived as being good by most American consumers is the exception to the norm.
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@Mike-Davis said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
"new and improved" is an American cultural value. Products like "Coke Classic" being perceived as being good by most American consumers is the exception to the norm.
Only because it was actually new. It's not the old recipe.
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@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Dashrender said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
I have no clue what that state of the economy of Italy is, but I do recall hearing about how poor the internet infrastructure is there.
Not that I (as a US citizen) can say much.. in non cities, it's pretty horrible too.
In the little cities of Sicily is not that good (7-20Mbit ADSL), but we're going to get FTTC (50Mbit and up) this year in almost every city with >10k peoples. The big cities (>200k) are all already covered with FTTC, an the biggest one are already on full FTTH with connectivity up to 1Gbps.
It's comea long way quickly. Italy was terrible a few years ago.
Maybe it was just… not cheap. You can have HDSL 8/8Mbit everywhere in Italy from ~2006. As of today, you can pay the telco to do an FTTH link to any site in the whole country, up to at least 10Mbit. 100Mbit for the 99% of the country, I think. 80% can get 1Gbit, for sure. Price are very high, but of course is technically possible. I'm following a project of connectivity upgrade to a custom 10Mbit FTTH. Of course band is totally guaranteed, so is packet loss (< 10^-4), latency (<30ms), jitter (<40ms). Real value are something like 4ms of latency at max.
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@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@DustinB3403 said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Mike-Davis and what exactly is wrong with WEP?!
(sarcasm boys)
That's all that they have here on Sicily where we are
What? Over 95% of WLAN in Sicily is WPA2, from my experience.
You must have met some of the 5% outdated/misconfigured stuff.
New provider's WLAN setup for consumer are ALL WPA2 and they have been WPA2 for years. Every public structure have WPA2 for sure. Every public university in Italy is part of EduRoam, so is WPA2 enterprise with RADIUS.You don't deal with the tourism rental business much, I would guess.
Of course, they are fully on-the-cheap regarding IT :). Mosh is your friend!
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@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@DustinB3403 said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Mike-Davis and what exactly is wrong with WEP?!
(sarcasm boys)
That's all that they have here on Sicily where we are
What? Over 95% of WLAN in Sicily is WPA2, from my experience.
You must have met some of the 5% outdated/misconfigured stuff.
New provider's WLAN setup for consumer are ALL WPA2 and they have been WPA2 for years. Every public structure have WPA2 for sure. Every public university in Italy is part of EduRoam, so is WPA2 enterprise with RADIUS.You don't deal with the tourism rental business much, I would guess.
Of course, they are fully on-the-cheap regarding IT :). Mosh is your friend!
Mosh?
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@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@DustinB3403 said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Mike-Davis and what exactly is wrong with WEP?!
(sarcasm boys)
That's all that they have here on Sicily where we are
What? Over 95% of WLAN in Sicily is WPA2, from my experience.
You must have met some of the 5% outdated/misconfigured stuff.
New provider's WLAN setup for consumer are ALL WPA2 and they have been WPA2 for years. Every public structure have WPA2 for sure. Every public university in Italy is part of EduRoam, so is WPA2 enterprise with RADIUS.You don't deal with the tourism rental business much, I would guess.
Of course, they are fully on-the-cheap regarding IT :). Mosh is your friend!
Mosh?
EDITThis one.
Best thing since sliced bread!
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@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@DustinB3403 said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Mike-Davis and what exactly is wrong with WEP?!
(sarcasm boys)
That's all that they have here on Sicily where we are
What? Over 95% of WLAN in Sicily is WPA2, from my experience.
You must have met some of the 5% outdated/misconfigured stuff.
New provider's WLAN setup for consumer are ALL WPA2 and they have been WPA2 for years. Every public structure have WPA2 for sure. Every public university in Italy is part of EduRoam, so is WPA2 enterprise with RADIUS.You don't deal with the tourism rental business much, I would guess.
Of course, they are fully on-the-cheap regarding IT :). Mosh is your friend!
Mosh?
This one. Best thing since sliced bread, as you Americans usually say!
I take offense to that statement....
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@DustinB3403 said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@DustinB3403 said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Mike-Davis and what exactly is wrong with WEP?!
(sarcasm boys)
That's all that they have here on Sicily where we are
What? Over 95% of WLAN in Sicily is WPA2, from my experience.
You must have met some of the 5% outdated/misconfigured stuff.
New provider's WLAN setup for consumer are ALL WPA2 and they have been WPA2 for years. Every public structure have WPA2 for sure. Every public university in Italy is part of EduRoam, so is WPA2 enterprise with RADIUS.You don't deal with the tourism rental business much, I would guess.
Of course, they are fully on-the-cheap regarding IT :). Mosh is your friend!
Mosh?
This one. Best thing since sliced bread, as you Americans usually say!
I take offense to that statement....
EDIT
Ok, maybe I was rough, sorry.
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@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:
@DustinB3403 said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Mike-Davis and what exactly is wrong with WEP?!
(sarcasm boys)
That's all that they have here on Sicily where we are
What? Over 95% of WLAN in Sicily is WPA2, from my experience.
You must have met some of the 5% outdated/misconfigured stuff.
New provider's WLAN setup for consumer are ALL WPA2 and they have been WPA2 for years. Every public structure have WPA2 for sure. Every public university in Italy is part of EduRoam, so is WPA2 enterprise with RADIUS.You don't deal with the tourism rental business much, I would guess.
Of course, they are fully on-the-cheap regarding IT :). Mosh is your friend!
Mosh?
This one. Best thing since sliced bread, as you Americans usually say!
Ah ha. I've not used that, I need to play around with it.
