Solved Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.
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@openit said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@scottalanmiller said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
Check out BackBlaze B2.
Okay, I am inquiring it.
How people do backups to Cloud storage (for offsite) ? do they schedules backups from on-site backup to Cloud or directly from file server to Cloud ?
In my case, we do have on-site backup on QNAP NAS, so do I need to push the on-site backup to cloud to avoid burden on Server ?
Depends what you want to do.
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I am currently backing up to a backup VM, and then uploading it from there to my Amazon Cloud Drive.
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@scottalanmiller said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@openit said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@scottalanmiller said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
Check out BackBlaze B2.
Okay, I am inquiring it.
How people do backups to Cloud storage (for offsite) ? do they schedules backups from on-site backup to Cloud or directly from file server to Cloud ?
In my case, we do have on-site backup on QNAP NAS, so do I need to push the on-site backup to cloud to avoid burden on Server ?
Depends what you want to do.
@openit you generally want to make copies of the backups.
How this works varies depending on your backup solution.
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Well, there are various options to do a cloud backup both cloud vendor and technology. We are using a couple of them:
- Amazon Storage Gateway - https://aws.amazon.com/storagegateway/ - a virtual machine that acts like a virtual tape library and transparently offloads your tapes to Amazon S3 and Amazon Glacier. Works nice with MSFT DPM and VEEAM.
- StarWind VTL - https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/partners/starwind/starwindvtl/ - a virtual machine in Azure with virtual tape library that is connected over iSCSI to a local backup virtual machine with VEEAM.
- AcloudA - http://www.aclouda.com/ - a very cool thing, a hardware-based SAS/SATA cloud gateway that presents itself to a host as a usual drive offloading all the data at block level directly to cloud over iSCSI or SMB.
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@dafyre said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
I am currently backing up to a backup VM, and then uploading it from there to my Amazon Cloud Drive.
I see, how's it different from Glacier or packages from Amazon ? Maybe Glacier is for archiving purpose ?
How about pricing with Amazon Cloud Drive ? I have seen one with "Unlimited Storage" is for $59.99 per year, what are the limitations in this Unlimited package
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@JaredBusch said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@scottalanmiller said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@openit said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@scottalanmiller said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
Check out BackBlaze B2.
Okay, I am inquiring it.
How people do backups to Cloud storage (for offsite) ? do they schedules backups from on-site backup to Cloud or directly from file server to Cloud ?
In my case, we do have on-site backup on QNAP NAS, so do I need to push the on-site backup to cloud to avoid burden on Server ?
Depends what you want to do.
@openit you generally want to make copies of the backups.
How this works varies depending on your backup solution.
@JaredBusch said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@scottalanmiller said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@openit said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@scottalanmiller said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
Check out BackBlaze B2.
Okay, I am inquiring it.
How people do backups to Cloud storage (for offsite) ? do they schedules backups from on-site backup to Cloud or directly from file server to Cloud ?
In my case, we do have on-site backup on QNAP NAS, so do I need to push the on-site backup to cloud to avoid burden on Server ?
Depends what you want to do.
@openit you generally want to make copies of the backups.
How this works varies depending on your backup solution.
Okay. If in general, people used to copy the backup files to offsite, so no need to think of copying from Server, while we can do it from NAS box itself and it can remove the burden on Server.
And when I think of copying backup files, I need to copy whole data and restoration also should be whole (because backup files with incremental will depend on other files).
I understand, I need to do my calculations.
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@openit said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@dafyre said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
I am currently backing up to a backup VM, and then uploading it from there to my Amazon Cloud Drive.
I see, how's it different from Glacier or packages from Amazon ? Maybe Glacier is for archiving purpose ?
How about pricing with Amazon Cloud Drive ? I have seen one with "Unlimited Storage" is for $59.99 per year, what are the limitations in this Unlimited package
?I gotta quit getting ahead of myself. AFAIK, Amazon Cloud Drive really is unlimited. I just use mine as a backup repository for all my stuff at the moment. I mean if you start trying to stream jiggabytes of video from your files hosted there, they may fuss at you.
Edit: I have been told by some that ACD is not for business use.
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@Net-Runner said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
Well, there are various options to do a cloud backup both cloud vendor and technology. We are using a couple of them:
- Amazon Storage Gateway - https://aws.amazon.com/storagegateway/ - a virtual machine that acts like a virtual tape library and transparently offloads your tapes to Amazon S3 and Amazon Glacier. Works nice with MSFT DPM and VEEAM.
- StarWind VTL - https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/partners/starwind/starwindvtl/ - a virtual machine in Azure with virtual tape library that is connected over iSCSI to a local backup virtual machine with VEEAM.
- AcloudA - http://www.aclouda.com/ - a very cool thing, a hardware-based SAS/SATA cloud gateway that presents itself to a host as a usual drive offloading all the data at block level directly to cloud over iSCSI or SMB.
Is Starwind VTL available on other providers?
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@dafyre said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@openit said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@dafyre said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
I am currently backing up to a backup VM, and then uploading it from there to my Amazon Cloud Drive.
I see, how's it different from Glacier or packages from Amazon ? Maybe Glacier is for archiving purpose ?
How about pricing with Amazon Cloud Drive ? I have seen one with "Unlimited Storage" is for $59.99 per year, what are the limitations in this Unlimited package
?I gotta quit getting ahead of myself. AFAIK, Amazon Cloud Drive really is unlimited. I just use mine as a backup repository for all my stuff at the moment. I mean if you start trying to stream jiggabytes of video from your files hosted there, they may fuss at you.
Edit: I have been told by some that ACD is not for business use.
It IS unlimited, but it is ONLY for personal use, there is no business account for it.
They state their PURPOSE and goal is to hold all of your videos, including your movie collections and so forth, so I don't expect them to complain about that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
Check out BackBlaze B2.
...and make sure you're OK with their Glacier-like "get data back!" plan!
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@KOOLER said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@scottalanmiller said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
Check out BackBlaze B2.
...and make sure you're OK with their Glacier-like "get data back!" plan!
Better than Glacier, slower than S3. It's a middle of the road service.
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BackBlaze is stupidly cheap. For ~50TB we're paying up to $8/Month! (as you are only billed for what you actually use)
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Really need to look into BackBlaze. How does it play with Unitrends/Veeam? XenOrchestra?
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@hobbit666 said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
Really need to look into BackBlaze. How does it play with Unitrends/Veeam? XenOrchestra?
So it works just fine with any of your backup appliances (as they never touch B2). You use your storage (like synology) and have that sync the data up to B2.
The backup appliance doesn't touch B2 directly.
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@hobbit666 There may be a way to create B2 (file share) type bucket that your backup appliance could write too.
But you'd almost never want to do this. As the data would immediately be syncing over the internet to B2. Which for small files may be fine, but for VM's you want to stage those kinds of off-site pushes.
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@DustinB3403 Thanks for that. Now I need to check what NAS boxes talk to BB so I can start looking at the Overall backup strategy for the group lol, and get rid of the RDX/Tape
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@hobbit666 said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
@DustinB3403 Thanks for that. Now I need to check what NAS boxes talk to BB so I can start looking at the Overall backup strategy for the group lol, and get rid of the RDX/Tape
All of the synology lines are capable. There is a cloud* sync app you install into the nas, configure the bucket settings and then the sync will go.
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@emad-r said in Cheap Cloud Storage for Offsite Backup.:
I worked with Genie9, and they had very good program, but weird name called Zoolz.
And they used Amazon services especially the one called Glacier or cold storage, its cheap cause you can upload files instantly but downloading them requires wait for 3-5 hours, (Ticketing system for every 2000 Files) cause its meant for archiving. however it scored well for alot of users looking for cheap storage.
Other than that, you should look to directly getting an Amazon storage bucket and pay as you go.
Anyone ever look further into Zoolz? I ran across an offer today where they are offering lifetime storage for a one time fee.
Thoughts?
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You can install and trial it, you get 50 GB free when I was working there, for like 2 weeks and do whatever you want. No credit card required.
Think about it as very advanced client for Amazon Glacier storage for windows clients, sadly they only have good Windows and Android clients. Plus point for supporting Dedup in backups, if you have windows 10 ISO file that is already uploaded, they will not upload it again.
if you want to backup NAS, they will tell you to mount it on Windows machine and select it to get uploaded.
And their Technical support team is awesome, I was there (5 years ago) what more do you want.
