Get your free Meraki gear!
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@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller This post was geared more towards adding tech to a homelab that you don't have extra cash for and not something I would do for enterprise.
That's fine. Nothing wrong with getting free stuff, if they really send it. But my point was that it's not even worth it for free. Since it's not stuff you'd use in business you don't gain the experience that you'd hope to. It's not good equipment for learning. And equipment that is good for learning is super cheap. Home lab have roughly the same economics as any business. So important to consider.
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@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
Two because they know it is only valuable when you own lots of it and pay for their continuing accounts so they will make money anyway.
You do get three year licenses with it.
And after three years you have to pay more than buying enterprise gear full price
Sure you get three "free" years. But it's extra effort on your end and the value is very low. If you need the gear you don't get enough free to satisfy the need. If you don't need it then Merakis effectively useless as you don't really learn anything from using it.
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@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
Ubiquiti gear is so much better, it's worth spending the money not to be saddled with Meraki stuff
Wow. Sorry for trying to give people access to free gear.
Nothing wrong with your post. But people should not think that it's a deal either. It's basically free gear that is normally worth nothing. There is a reason that it is free and people should understand why.
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@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
Ubiquiti gear is so much better, it's worth spending the money not to be saddled with Meraki stuff
Wow. Sorry for trying to give people access to free gear.
Don't be - Don't take Scott's words as an attack or anything more than they are. If you've been exposed to the Meraki stuff and the associated costs and also exposed to Ubiquiti and their costs, you'll see pretty quickly that there is very rarely a time that you would deploy Meraki instead of Ubiquiti.
Meraki started out as something awesome, but in my opinion, they tried to be like Apple, only the elites can have our stuff. And perhaps when they started, no one offered any competition. But along came Ubiquiti, as good or better equipment, MUCH lower prices, and no annual costs.
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@Dashrender said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
Ubiquiti gear is so much better, it's worth spending the money not to be saddled with Meraki stuff
Wow. Sorry for trying to give people access to free gear.
Don't be - Don't take Scott's words as an attack or anything more than they are. If you've been exposed to the Meraki stuff and the associated costs and also exposed to Ubiquiti and their costs, you'll see pretty quickly that there is very rarely a time that you would deploy Meraki instead of Ubiquiti.
Meraki started out as something awesome, but in my opinion, they tried to be like Apple, only the elites can have our stuff. And perhaps when they started, no one offered any competition. But along came Ubiquiti, as good or better equipment, MUCH lower prices, and no annual costs.
And unlike Apple didn't keep pace. Meraki was great before Cisco bought them and Ubiquiti came on the scene. But they've basically abandoned them now. Now they are Cisco pricing and total crap. We replace them most places even when they are still under support. Not worth using sadly. So many problems.
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@Dashrender said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
I don't see a need to delete the post, or even the followup posts - if you're happy with a product, definitely feel free to talk about it.
I guess I was taken aback at first because of all of the other positive things I've read from people using them. I kind of reacted out of haste.
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@scottalanmiller said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
It should never depend. They promise it and only sometimes deliver.
That's a good point! It's good to be reminded that we should expect more out of our vendors, because it seems like more and more these day promise everything, but don't deliver.
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@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@Dashrender said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
I don't see a need to delete the post, or even the followup posts - if you're happy with a product, definitely feel free to talk about it.
I guess I was taken aback at first because of all of the other positive things I've read from people using them. I kind of reacted out of haste.
People who like them tend to not be the people paying the bills. I've not spoken to anyone that will touch them... that has also used something else. If you read reviews or query people who like them, they always like them while ignoring the financial damage to the company and/or didn't compare them to something comparable like Unifi. That's a problem with reviews, and especially IT reviews, they are often out of context and what is listed as a positive five star review is actually an "avoid this product" review if you dig into it.
We've never seen Meraki and UBNT head to head that the answer wasn't to just rip out the Meraki and throw them out. If competitors like UBNT didn't exist and Cisco had kept up, Meraki would be decent. But given the real world market pressure of nearly free, vastly better UBNT gear, Meraki is pretty bad.
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Also important to note that Meraki WAS great. They were pioneers, they were worth the money. I've recommended them a lot myself. But not any longer. Cisco bought them and threw them under the bus. Now they are some of the worst gear that Cisco has, and that says a lot. Cisco makes some seriously bad entry level gear. Meraki took over Linksys' place in the Cisco ecosystem
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@scottalanmiller Gotcha. Do you or @Dashrender know of any way to get Ubiquiti gear for cheap? Is there any reason not to buy used or older Ubiquiti gear?
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@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@Dashrender said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
I don't see a need to delete the post, or even the followup posts - if you're happy with a product, definitely feel free to talk about it.
I guess I was taken aback at first because of all of the other positive things I've read from people using them. I kind of reacted out of haste.
Very easy to do, learning to filter the kool-aid is a big part of what we do around here. You might want to take a look at if-you-don-t-question-me-you-don-t-respect-me, as @scottalanmiller can seem abrasive if you're not familiar with the man.
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@travisdh1 Thanks! Great post that you linked to.
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I did this about four years ago, right about this time of year, right after I'd started at NTG. I used it briefly but ended up not using it. Now I just use their free portal to track devices, etc
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@thanksajdotcom said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
I did this about four years ago, right about this time of year, right after I'd started at NTG. I used it briefly but ended up not using it. Now I just use their free portal to track devices, etc
Specifically for my phone in case of theft, etc
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@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller Gotcha. Do you or @Dashrender know of any way to get Ubiquiti gear for cheap? Is there any reason not to buy used or older Ubiquiti gear?
Well, it's kind of all cheap. For home (lab) use you don't need much or big gear. Their starter firewall unit is about $55 and you own it, no support costs. That's pretty cheap. Finding used cheaper might be available, but hard. And that includes a tiny switch and PoE in that price! Their APs start around $65.
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@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller Gotcha. Do you or @Dashrender know of any way to get Ubiquiti gear for cheap? Is there any reason not to buy used or older Ubiquiti gear?
I just picked up an ER-X and UAP-AC-PRO for $200 at MicroCenter last week. I need to put up a board to mount the AP on still, so I probably won't have them running till next weekend. The ER-X is a 5 port enterprise class router for $50. The UAP-AC-PRO is their high-end wireless access point. If you go with a UAP-AC-LITE, you can get a brand new, enterprise class router and AP for $150. This setup is actually for my house
I went with the UAP-AC-LITE access points at work with an ER-X to handle routing. Great setup. The signal on the access points was actually to good, even in different buildings the signal strength still needed turned down.
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@scottalanmiller said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller Gotcha. Do you or @Dashrender know of any way to get Ubiquiti gear for cheap? Is there any reason not to buy used or older Ubiquiti gear?
Well, it's kind of all cheap. For home (lab) use you don't need much or big gear. Their starter firewall unit is about $55 and you own it, no support costs. That's pretty cheap. Finding used cheaper might be available, but hard. And that includes a tiny switch and PoE in that price! Their APs start around $65.
Which unit is that? The ER-X doesn't come with a power injector. It does use the same unit that comes with their APs, and does pass through so you can use an injector you got with one of their APs to power both.
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@travisdh1 said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller Gotcha. Do you or @Dashrender know of any way to get Ubiquiti gear for cheap? Is there any reason not to buy used or older Ubiquiti gear?
Well, it's kind of all cheap. For home (lab) use you don't need much or big gear. Their starter firewall unit is about $55 and you own it, no support costs. That's pretty cheap. Finding used cheaper might be available, but hard. And that includes a tiny switch and PoE in that price! Their APs start around $65.
Which unit is that? The ER-X doesn't come with a power injector. It does use the same unit that comes with their APs, and does pass through so you can use an injector you got with one of their APs to power both.
That should work, I think.
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@travisdh1 said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller Gotcha. Do you or @Dashrender know of any way to get Ubiquiti gear for cheap? Is there any reason not to buy used or older Ubiquiti gear?
Well, it's kind of all cheap. For home (lab) use you don't need much or big gear. Their starter firewall unit is about $55 and you own it, no support costs. That's pretty cheap. Finding used cheaper might be available, but hard. And that includes a tiny switch and PoE in that price! Their APs start around $65.
Which unit is that? The ER-X doesn't come with a power injector. It does use the same unit that comes with their APs, and does pass through so you can use an injector you got with one of their APs to power both.
The ER-X will give POE on the last port on the right, when looking at the ports, when just using the wall wart - try it.. I did and it worked.
POE, not Passive 24v, so it only works for Ubiquiti Pro APs. -
@scottalanmiller said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@travisdh1 said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller Gotcha. Do you or @Dashrender know of any way to get Ubiquiti gear for cheap? Is there any reason not to buy used or older Ubiquiti gear?
Well, it's kind of all cheap. For home (lab) use you don't need much or big gear. Their starter firewall unit is about $55 and you own it, no support costs. That's pretty cheap. Finding used cheaper might be available, but hard. And that includes a tiny switch and PoE in that price! Their APs start around $65.
Which unit is that? The ER-X doesn't come with a power injector. It does use the same unit that comes with their APs, and does pass through so you can use an injector you got with one of their APs to power both.
That should work, I think.
@scottalanmiller That's actually how the ER-X and one of the AP we have is running right now. Convenient that.
@Dashrender said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@travisdh1 said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@lance said in Get your free Meraki gear!:
@scottalanmiller Gotcha. Do you or @Dashrender know of any way to get Ubiquiti gear for cheap? Is there any reason not to buy used or older Ubiquiti gear?
Well, it's kind of all cheap. For home (lab) use you don't need much or big gear. Their starter firewall unit is about $55 and you own it, no support costs. That's pretty cheap. Finding used cheaper might be available, but hard. And that includes a tiny switch and PoE in that price! Their APs start around $65.
Which unit is that? The ER-X doesn't come with a power injector. It does use the same unit that comes with their APs, and does pass through so you can use an injector you got with one of their APs to power both.
The ER-X will give POE on the last port on the right, when looking at the ports, when just using the wall wart - try it.. I did and it worked.
POE, not Passive 24v, so it only works for Ubiquiti Pro APs.Ah, nice @Dashrender.
