Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.
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And here is the relevant parts.
Updated 12/9 12:29pm EST: According to The Verge Verizon is refusing to pass along the update to Note 7's on it’s network.
Verizon will not be taking part in this update because of the added risk this could pose to Galaxy Note 7 users that do not have another device to switch to.
We will not push a software upgrade that will eliminate the ability for the Note 7 to work as a mobile device in the heart of the holiday travel season. We do not want to make it impossible to contact family, first responders or medical professionals in an emergency situation.
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Cause Getting into a car wreck on the interstate because your GN7 exploded in your pocket while driving 75MPH isn't a big enough risk.....
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dont' use a code block when posting quotes. it sucks to read.Edit, someone fixed it.
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@JaredBusch Yeah I changed it.
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This is a smart move by Verizon. It sucks that Samsung is having to do this.
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@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
This is a smart move by Verizon. It sucks that Samsung is having to do this.
Smart how?
If 7% of these are still out there and explode while someone is on the road, how are they going to call for emergency help anyways?
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
This is a smart move by Verizon. It sucks that Samsung is having to do this.
Smart how?
If 7% of these are still out there and explode while someone is on the road, how are they going to call for emergency help anyways?
Because that particular 7% is still working. That's not to say they won't blow up tomorrow, but if an update happens right as somebody is leaving for a trip that bricks thier phone...
I figure Verizon should wait until January 2 or so before they start pushing it out.
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
This is a smart move by Verizon. It sucks that Samsung is having to do this.
Smart how?
If 7% of these are still out there and explode while someone is on the road, how are they going to call for emergency help anyways?
Smart because 1) the risks of intentionally bricking are huge compared to the battery issue 2) it's illegal in the US to do this and 3) it shifts the risk from samsung to Verizon.
There isn't any acceptable ground for doing this to working phones.
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@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
This is a smart move by Verizon. It sucks that Samsung is having to do this.
Smart how?
If 7% of these are still out there and explode while someone is on the road, how are they going to call for emergency help anyways?
Because that particular 7% is still working. That's not to say they won't blow up tomorrow, but if an update happens right as somebody is leaving for a trip that bricks thier phone...
I figure Verizon should wait until January 2 or so before they start pushing it out.
Shouldn't push it out ever.
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
There isn't any acceptable ground for doing this to working phones.
Um yeah there is... mandatory recall of the phones.
Keeping these phones is literally risking your life and others (those on the road around you).
I don't see an issue with this.
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
There isn't any acceptable ground for doing this to working phones.
Um yeah there is... mandatory recall of the phones.
Keeping these phones is literally risking your life and others (those on the road around you).
I don't see an issue with this.
This is the only reason I agree with this.
Edit: But like I said... these 7% of phones that haven't exploded by now may not ever blow up... or they may blow up tomorrow... It's like playing Russian Roulette... Do you really want to lose?
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
There isn't any acceptable ground for doing this to working phones.
Um yeah there is... mandatory recall of the phones.
Keeping these phones is literally risking your life and others (those on the road around you).
I don't see an issue with this.
So is bricking them. But one is a much bigger risk than the other. A mandatory recall can only be issued by the federal government. Has nothing to do with a Samsung.
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@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
There isn't any acceptable ground for doing this to working phones.
Um yeah there is... mandatory recall of the phones.
Keeping these phones is literally risking your life and others (those on the road around you).
I don't see an issue with this.
This is the only reason I agree with this.
Edit: But like I said... these 7% of phones that haven't exploded by now may not ever blow up... or they may blow up tomorrow...
The issues are around being illegal and unethical.
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
There isn't any acceptable ground for doing this to working phones.
Um yeah there is... mandatory recall of the phones.
Keeping these phones is literally risking your life and others (those on the road around you).
I don't see an issue with this.
This is the only reason I agree with this.
Edit: But like I said... these 7% of phones that haven't exploded by now may not ever blow up... or they may blow up tomorrow...
The issues are around being illegal and unethical.
No doubt about it that it is illegal. Unethical -- I would say very unethical if they were not refunding money.
But since they are doing it to protect folks... I will say that it is not unethical since they are trying to potentially save the lives of their customers.
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
There isn't any acceptable ground for doing this to working phones.
Um yeah there is... mandatory recall of the phones.
Keeping these phones is literally risking your life and others (those on the road around you).
I don't see an issue with this.
So is bricking them. But one is a much bigger risk than the other. A mandatory recall can only be issued by the federal government. Has nothing to do with a Samsung.
Bricking them disabled them from being charged, and essentially eliminates 100% of the risk of the phones blowing up in someones face, or while driving.
How many people charge their phones while driving, I do. If it blew up in my car while I was on the interstate I'd likely also get into a car wreck.
The Federal Aviation Administration has already banned these on all flights. So the recall is mandatory.
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And Samsung has mandates that every carrier take the phones back, and has provided incentives to customers trading the phones in.
This is simple the next step to ensure that no one else gets hurt or killed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
This is a smart move by Verizon. It sucks that Samsung is having to do this.
Smart how?
If 7% of these are still out there and explode while someone is on the road, how are they going to call for emergency help anyways?
Because that particular 7% is still working. That's not to say they won't blow up tomorrow, but if an update happens right as somebody is leaving for a trip that bricks thier phone...
I figure Verizon should wait until January 2 or so before they start pushing it out.
Shouldn't push it out ever.
No, they shouldn't push it out ever, but some dipshit verizon customer will have a phone blow up on them in 2 months, then try to sue verizon because verizon knew about it and didn't stop them.. and some damn liberal judge will agree with the idiot and verizon will be out millions of dollars.
yeah.. let's not push this out.it's not like they won't get a new phone if they bring it back to the store.
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You can be assured if we had self driving cars that had this type of flaw, they would be allowed to roll out a kill switch because public safety.
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@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
You can be assured if we had self driving cars that had this type of flaw, they would be allowed to roll out a kill switch because public safety.
Exactly, if self driving vehicles were swerving into on comming traffic because a pigeon was in the road, there would certainly be a kill switch update pushed out.
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@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
No doubt about it that it is illegal. Unethical -- I would say very unethical if they were not refunding money.
Unethical because forcibly taking something that doesn't belong to them and then giving an amount of money that they determine for it is stealing, plain and simple. If I come into your house and steal anything I want and "leave money for it", it's still unethical.
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
You can be assured if we had self driving cars that had this type of flaw, they would be allowed to roll out a kill switch because public safety.
Exactly, if self driving vehicles were swerving into on comming traffic because a pigeon was in the road, there would certainly be a kill switch update pushed out.
No, they would fix the code. And a kill switch is not a brick switch. VERY unrelated things.
