SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup
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@dafyre said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
Excepting the upload speeds, why would a NextCloud setup hosted on Vultr or someplace more local not work? -- or is upload speed the limiting factor for everything?
Oh yeah, NextCloud on Vultr or similar is what I meant when I said NextCloud. That would be ideal if there isn't a lot of sharing. NextCloud on a Vultr storage instance for like $10 or $20/mo. Then a BackBlaze B2 account and backups via script.
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Mmmh, great suggestion, but isn't Dropbox Pro even more simple? It can also leverage LAN sync!
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@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
Mmmh, great suggestion, but isn't Dropbox Pro even more simple? It can also leverage LAN sync!
I've not used it with the LAN sync feature. You mean it syncs to a local NAS or file server?
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ownCloud/NextCloud can sync two servers, yes. I keep meaning to set it up and just haven't.
For such a small office, with such a poor upload potential, I would set up something locally.
If you jsut want file sync (aka dropbox), the NextCloud Box for 70€ one time is a great solution.
This is not a backup though, it is file sync. So you are not able to recover from Crypto easily. The system does have versioning, but it is a pain in the ass to recover versions manually for all of the files.
Instead, I would get a basic NAS and create a SMB share on it and then use Veeam Endpoint Backup on the three computers to backup to there.
This does not get you any kind of off site, but it gets you solid true backups.
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@JaredBusch said
This does not get you any kind of off site, but it gets you solid true backups.
It's not ideal, but couldn't they invest in a few USB drives and just dump the data and rotate them offsite?
It would at least save MOST of the data in the case of a local catastrophe.
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@BRRABill said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@JaredBusch said
This does not get you any kind of off site, but it gets you solid true backups.
It's not ideal, but couldn't they invest in a few USB drives and just dump the data and rotate them offsite?
It would at least save MOST of the data in the case of a local catastrophe.
Waste of money and higher risk as a NAS will back everything up.
If you really want offsite (they do not have it now, and it seems to be a low priority) then they can bring in a USB, hook it to the NAS and have the NAS back itself up to that then take it offsite.
But this still does not protect against a local catastrophe. Only against that one building being lost. The USB drive will still be regionally local.
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@JaredBusch said
If you really want offsite (they do not have it now, and it seems to be a low priority) then they can bring in a USB, hook it to the NAS and have the NAS back itself up to that then take it offsite.
Sorry if I was unclear. This is what I meant.
Keep the system as recommended, but also back up the NAS to rotating USB drives to get the data offsite.
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@BRRABill His point still remains in that you are covered if a rock falls on the building, but not if a fire burns down the entire city.
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
Mmmh, great suggestion, but isn't Dropbox Pro even more simple? It can also leverage LAN sync!
I've not used it with the LAN sync feature. You mean it syncs to a local NAS or file server?
No, it syncs between clients. It works well, very effective.
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@dafyre said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill His point still remains in that you are covered if a rock falls on the building, but not if a fire burns down the entire city.
Is it often that a fire burns down an entire city?
I mean what are the risk chances of
a) a loss of the NAS (theft, building fire, building flood)
b) a whoel city burning down -
@BRRABill said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@JaredBusch said
This does not get you any kind of off site, but it gets you solid true backups.
It's not ideal, but couldn't they invest in a few USB drives and just dump the data and rotate them offsite?
It would at least save MOST of the data in the case of a local catastrophe.
There's absolutely NO person aware of IT issues in this office, I have to setup something that they don't have to deal with. Absolutely!
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@BRRABill said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@dafyre said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill His point still remains in that you are covered if a rock falls on the building, but not if a fire burns down the entire city.
Is it often that a fire burns down an entire city?
I mean what are the risk chances of
a) a loss of the NAS (theft, building fire, building flood)
b) a whoel city burning downThe problem is they WILL forget to bring usb home, or throw the drive and ignore errors… really, what's wrong with a cloud backup in this scenario? Apart from the first upload, the changed data ratio will be very low, something like <100Mb/day.
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@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@JaredBusch said
This does not get you any kind of off site, but it gets you solid true backups.
It's not ideal, but couldn't they invest in a few USB drives and just dump the data and rotate them offsite?
It would at least save MOST of the data in the case of a local catastrophe.
There's absolutely NO person aware of IT issues in this office, I have to setup something that they don't have to deal with. Absolutely!
Again a sync tool is not a backup. But if you are going to stay with a sync tool, then buy 2 NextCloud Box systems.
Set 1 up in the office and have their systems point to it.
Setup number 2 with a DNS name and use a local DNS override in th eoffice to point to it locally. Let them sync.
Remove DNS override and move number 2 offsite. Sync will resume.
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@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@dafyre said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill His point still remains in that you are covered if a rock falls on the building, but not if a fire burns down the entire city.
Is it often that a fire burns down an entire city?
I mean what are the risk chances of
a) a loss of the NAS (theft, building fire, building flood)
b) a whoel city burning downThe problem is they WILL forget to bring usb home, or throw the drive and ignore errors… really, what's wrong with a cloud backup in this scenario?
You posted while I was. Dropbox is not a cloud backup. it is a cloud Sync.
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@JaredBusch said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@JaredBusch said
This does not get you any kind of off site, but it gets you solid true backups.
It's not ideal, but couldn't they invest in a few USB drives and just dump the data and rotate them offsite?
It would at least save MOST of the data in the case of a local catastrophe.
There's absolutely NO person aware of IT issues in this office, I have to setup something that they don't have to deal with. Absolutely!
Again a sync tool is not a backup. But if you are going to stay with a sync tool, then buy 2 NextCloud Box systems.
Set 1 up in the office and have their systems point to it.
Setup number 2 with a DNS name and use a local DNS override in th eoffice to point to it locally. Let them sync.
Remove DNS override and move number 2 offsite. Sync will resume.
Of course is not, so I will use BOTH Dropbox AND BackBlaze for backup ;).
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@Francesco-Provino said
The problem is they WILL forget to bring usb home, or throw the drive and ignore errors… really, what's wrong with a cloud backup in this scenario? Apart from the first upload, the changed data ratio will be very low, something like <100Mb/day.
Nothing at all, and of course the recommended solution.
I was merely saying is cloud backup was NOT an option.
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@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
so I will use BOTH Dropbox AND BackBlaze for backup ;).
Why? Because using dropbox just emans you then need to deal with restoring 3 computers not 1 because the encrypted files will get sync'd.
Yeah you have them backed up to backblaze, but it still sync'd the useless files around.
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@JaredBusch said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
so I will use BOTH Dropbox AND BackBlaze for backup ;).
Why? Because using dropbox just emans you then need to deal with restoring 3 computers not 1 because the encrypted files will get sync'd.
Yeah you have them backed up to backblaze, but it still sync'd the useless files around.
I want to completely drop file sharing with fileserver, going serverless. The remote event of a cryptolocker will of course lead to a complete reinstall of the machine and resync of the whole stuff from backups. That's why I want to take also a little NAS with scheduled snapshots… just to be able to quickly recover all the stuff in less than a day.
Losing one or two working day is acceptable (or, better, they will only be slowed down but the recovery of the most important files can be done instantly via BB or Dropbox versioning), losing data is NOT. -
@Francesco-Provino said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@dafyre said in SMB - Greenfield scenario - Full cloud sync and backup:
@BRRABill His point still remains in that you are covered if a rock falls on the building, but not if a fire burns down the entire city.
Is it often that a fire burns down an entire city?
I mean what are the risk chances of
a) a loss of the NAS (theft, building fire, building flood)
b) a whoel city burning downThe problem is they WILL forget to bring usb home, or throw the drive and ignore errors… really, what's wrong with a cloud backup in this scenario? Apart from the first upload, the changed data ratio will be very low, something like <100Mb/day.
If you're looking at a low daily change rage, then I'd definitely go with NextCloud + Backblaze.
