Is it right or is it theft/fraud?
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@ChrisL said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
What's funny is that for me, going to a sporting event or a movie is a punishment, not a reward. Making me sit through a sporting event had better come with a pretty big alcohol budget.
I've been to a few with a friend who worked for a big time insurance company when they didn't have any clients to take, and we were always in box seats with an open bar.
One time, as part of a new promotion package from STAPLES Center, my friend and I got to sit in between the benches during a Kings game. It was so awesome.
I used to get tickets to see the Rochester Red Wings play when I was a hotel manager and the Rochester Amercs when I was a restaurant manager. Really good seats, too. But wasn't into sports then either
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@scottalanmiller said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@IRJ said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@IRJ said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@IRJ said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@IRJ said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
In banking, you aren't allowed to accept any gifts worth over $20. I also believe it is wrong morally to do it.
That's not true. Gifts are commonly enormous in banking. I've definitely had $5,000 (per head) dinners.
The mandatory compliance training (handled by a 3rd party vendor) goes over bribery every year.
Sure, but it doesn't apply to banking in general. Just a specific company or type. Banking, in general, has no such limitations.
Exactly, it's an FDIC rule, which doesn't apply to the majority of banking. Only certain types of banks are part of the FDIC in the US.
ah ok.
Investment banking, has almost no rules. It's the wild west. -
If the vendor is going to be at the event then I think it's fine. It's about building a rapport with them, talking business, and doing it in a pleasant environment. I have no concerns about going to these kinds of events.
If they're not going to be at the event, or aren't going to talk to you there, then it is just giving you free tickets and I'd consider that a bribe and wouldn't go. Some of my colleagues do and I think it's disgusting - especially when they go during work hours.
The normal format for the events I go to is you have to sit through a few boring presentations in the morning, then have lunch whilst being hassled by a salesmen, then do something interesting and fun in the afternoon. If it's during work time I only go if I think my employer can get something out of it because I don't believe in getting paid to have fun. There can be value in creating a good rapport with a salesman at these events as it can help you negotiate better pricing if you do ever buy.
Also, these events are often great places to network with your industry peers. There's usually several of the vendor's existing customers at the event and I always try and talk to them privately and find out what they think of the vendor. It's a great way to get references.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@IRJ said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@IRJ said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@IRJ said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
In banking, you aren't allowed to accept any gifts worth over $20. I also believe it is wrong morally to do it.
That's not true. Gifts are commonly enormous in banking. I've definitely had $5,000 (per head) dinners.
The mandatory compliance training (handled by a 3rd party vendor) goes over bribery every year.
Sure, but it doesn't apply to banking in general. Just a specific company or type. Banking, in general, has no such limitations.
Exactly, it's an FDIC rule, which doesn't apply to the majority of banking. Only certain types of banks are part of the FDIC in the US.
also, one of the exceptions to the rules are:
(b) Acceptance of meals, refreshments, entertainment, accommodations or travel arrangements, all of reasonable value, in the course of a meeting or other occasion, the purpose of which is to hold bona fide business discussions or to foster better business relations, provided that the expense would be paid for by the bank as a reasonable business expense if not paid for by another party (the bank may establish a specific dollar limit for such an occasion);
Pretty much anything could be held under this exception...
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@NerdyDad As long as you are not misleading the vendor on your interest in their product, then there is no moral ambiguity at all. It is simply their marketing trying to convince you to change your mind.
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@JaredBusch said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@NerdyDad As long as you are not misleading the vendor on your interest in their product, then there is no moral ambiguity at all. It is simply their marketing trying to convince you to change your mind.
Truly no different than watching an episode of television knowing that it was sponsored by Burger King but having no intention of eating there.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@JaredBusch said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
@NerdyDad As long as you are not misleading the vendor on your interest in their product, then there is no moral ambiguity at all. It is simply their marketing trying to convince you to change your mind.
Truly no different than watching an episode of television knowing that it was sponsored by Burger King but having no intention of eating there.
Precisely
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As a publicly traded company we have rules against this.
But even when I worked placed that allowed it I never did it.
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I personally only go if it's something we are actively interested in / researching. If I know we're not going to be going with their product, then I usually decline and don't go.
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@DustinB3403 said in Is it right or is it theft/fraud?:
This is similar to pharmaceutical sales reps. they aren't allowed to take a doctor out to dinner, but can have a dinner meeting with a doctor.
Actually I have friends who do that for a living this is by in large not allowed anymore. They've cracked down on a lot of this stuff.
