This Is Who Is Teaching College
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@coliver said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
They are also appointed and not elected. Granted they have to go through a vetting process that can be, but often isn't, fairly vigorous.
Right. It's still sort of relatable since the college has to hire (similar to appoint) the professor.
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Also, Chrome tells me that relatable isn't a word.
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@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@coliver said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
They are also appointed and not elected. Granted they have to go through a vetting process that can be, but often isn't, fairly vigorous.
Right. It's still sort of relatable since the college has to hire (similar to appoint) the professor.
Agreed, I'm against tenure in almost all cases. It leads to a lot of problems and doesn't solve the issue it originally meant to solve.
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@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
Federal Judges are appointed (as listed below) and only the Supreme Court Justices get life time positions. Which even there I think is insane.
Rubbed elbows with the right people, and BAM lifetime job even if the person who appointed you is no longer around.
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@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
Federal Judges are appointed (as listed below) and only the Supreme Court Justices get life time positions. Which even there I think is insane.
Rubbed elbows with the right people, and BAM lifetime job even if the person who appointed you is no longer around.
It's kind of a good thing though, because they aren't swayed by elections. If they were elected, You could literally buy them out just like the others.
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@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
Federal Judges are appointed (as listed below) and only the Supreme Court Justices get life time positions. Which even there I think is insane.
Rubbed elbows with the right people, and BAM lifetime job even if the person who appointed you is no longer around.
It's kind of a good thing though, because they aren't swayed by elections. If they were elected, You could literally buy them out just like the others.
This is a fair point, but at the same time you could end up with some crackpot justice with some out there ideas of "fair"
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@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
Federal Judges are appointed (as listed below) and only the Supreme Court Justices get life time positions. Which even there I think is insane.
Rubbed elbows with the right people, and BAM lifetime job even if the person who appointed you is no longer around.
I think all judges should be appointed or hired in a way that doesn't involve an election. Elections introduce to many opportunities for corruption.
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@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
Federal Judges are appointed (as listed below) and only the Supreme Court Justices get life time positions. Which even there I think is insane.
Rubbed elbows with the right people, and BAM lifetime job even if the person who appointed you is no longer around.
It's kind of a good thing though, because they aren't swayed by elections. If they were elected, You could literally buy them out just like the others.
This is a fair point, but at the same time you could end up with some crackpot justice with some out there ideas of "fair"
But that's why they are vetted, and there are multiple.
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@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
Federal Judges are appointed (as listed below) and only the Supreme Court Justices get life time positions. Which even there I think is insane.
Rubbed elbows with the right people, and BAM lifetime job even if the person who appointed you is no longer around.
It's kind of a good thing though, because they aren't swayed by elections. If they were elected, You could literally buy them out just like the others.
This is a fair point, but at the same time you could end up with some crackpot justice with some out there ideas of "fair"
But that's why they are vetted, and there are multiple.
For the most part this... it hasn't worked perfectly in the past but it is still better then them being elected.
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@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
Federal Judges are appointed (as listed below) and only the Supreme Court Justices get life time positions. Which even there I think is insane.
Rubbed elbows with the right people, and BAM lifetime job even if the person who appointed you is no longer around.
It's kind of a good thing though, because they aren't swayed by elections. If they were elected, You could literally buy them out just like the others.
This is a fair point, but at the same time you could end up with some crackpot justice with some out there ideas of "fair"
But that's why they are vetted, and there are multiple.
Because opinions don't change over time?
I understand the balances of having multiple justices, it works most of the time. But that insane justice is still there, always voting for insanity. Because they have a life time position.
Get my point?
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@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
Federal Judges are appointed (as listed below) and only the Supreme Court Justices get life time positions. Which even there I think is insane.
Rubbed elbows with the right people, and BAM lifetime job even if the person who appointed you is no longer around.
It's kind of a good thing though, because they aren't swayed by elections. If they were elected, You could literally buy them out just like the others.
This is a fair point, but at the same time you could end up with some crackpot justice with some out there ideas of "fair"
But that's why they are vetted, and there are multiple.
Because opinions don't change over time?
I understand the balances of having multiple justices, it works most of the time. But that insane justice is still there, always voting for insanity. Because they have a life time position.
Get my point?
Of course, we saw this recently in our supreme court. Thankfully, for the most part, the saner justices were able to balance against that opinion.
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@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
So let me get this right.
They are sick of being taken advantage of....why don't they get other employment then?
I don't understand this concept that the world should change to suit me.
That's what I was wondering. The obvious answer is that they are unemployable. Well other than farm or manual labour. That was my point - the college is actually doing them a favour by employing them, it would seem, as their alternatives are worse, not better.
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@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
They want to teach full time, and not have to do manual labor or whatever else when they aren't employed.
I see this has an issue on both sides.
What's the issue on the college side? Why would it pay more or give permanent jobs to people who aren't employable? What I really want to know is why any student finds it acceptable to be taught by people useless in the real world!
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@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
To continue this from earlier, people who go into college expecting to become tenured teachers with full time positions making 50K or whatever a "real salary" for a teacher / professor is are just insane.
Teaching to me is like cooking the fries at any fast food chain. Someone needs to do it, and there is a massive amount of people willing to come and do it for cheap, who offer nothing in particular for the job. They've got a piece of paper that says they "know this course material".
The continued mindset of students who go to college to become teachers (for whatever reason) don't see it as this. They see it as "I want to teach to help educate the community". Which quickly turns to "This community doesn't give a damn about me, only them selves. . . why shouldn't I get more"
It's an extremely self centered job (a lot like politics) that starts with good intentions, and then quickly devolves.
These aren't teachers, this are college professors at the top ranked college that they graduated from.
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@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
It's an extremely self centered job (a lot like politics) that starts with good intentions, and then quickly devolves.
All the more reason why we should celebrate the few who continue to be good over the long haul.
Oh I don't disagree, but at the same time the idea of "I need a tenured job after 1-5 years" is crap.
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Yup, entitlement is all I see. Nobody, anywhere, gets guaranteed jobs. These are people competing with burger flippers for jobs, have no market value, yet while because they feel entitled to job security that essentially no one, anywhere ever gets.
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@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
That's not considered politics, but law. But true, there is that exception.
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@scottalanmiller said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
They want to teach full time, and not have to do manual labor or whatever else when they aren't employed.
I see this has an issue on both sides.
What's the issue on the college side? Why would it pay more or give permanent jobs to people who aren't employable? What I really want to know is why any student finds it acceptable to be taught by people useless in the real world!
The college side has the issue of not being able to say "listen, you are unemployable besides for this part time work, there is manual labor, go do that instead."
Because of the political correctness that we all have to follow.
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@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@coliver said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
They are also appointed and not elected. Granted they have to go through a vetting process that can be, but often isn't, fairly vigorous.
Right. It's still sort of relatable since the college has to hire (similar to appoint) the professor.
Except no vetting and they go for cheap rather than qualified.
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@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
Federal Judges are appointed (as listed below) and only the Supreme Court Justices get life time positions. Which even there I think is insane.
Rubbed elbows with the right people, and BAM lifetime job even if the person who appointed you is no longer around.
It's kind of a good thing though, because they aren't swayed by elections. If they were elected, You could literally buy them out just like the others.
This is a fair point, but at the same time you could end up with some crackpot justice with some out there ideas of "fair"
But that's why they are vetted, and there are multiple.
Senility is more the issue. Degradation over time.
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@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@stacksofplates said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@Breffni-Potter said in This Is Who Is Teaching College:
@DustinB3403 said
No where else do you work for 1-5 years and have a life time position.
Politics?
Not even there, sure the population has a hard time changing people out (especially in the US) but in politics you have to rerun ever few years.
It's essentially reapplying for the job.
Depends. Federal Judges don't.
Federal Judges are appointed (as listed below) and only the Supreme Court Justices get life time positions. Which even there I think is insane.
Rubbed elbows with the right people, and BAM lifetime job even if the person who appointed you is no longer around.
It's kind of a good thing though, because they aren't swayed by elections. If they were elected, You could literally buy them out just like the others.
This is a fair point, but at the same time you could end up with some crackpot justice with some out there ideas of "fair"
But that's why they are vetted, and there are multiple.
Because opinions don't change over time?
I understand the balances of having multiple justices, it works most of the time. But that insane justice is still there, always voting for insanity. Because they have a life time position.
Get my point?
Judges aren't supposed to have opinions. Opinions changing over time is not the concern for judges. It is whether or not they are doing their jobs.
