Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
If there's no financial interest from the person who told that he won't show up in the court, it would be you for EULA violation and EMC lawyers. When you install product you accept EULA and THAT is what you agree on when you use the licensed software. E-mail = junk.
The Emails are still there the person does not have to show up in court. When did you become a lawyer? We have a very good legal team. They have all looked at it. Heck we even have a modified EULA from Microsoft with our EA as our legal team did not like some of their normal verbiage, it's not the same one you install the software with, the fact it what a company says, signs etc outside of that EULA can still modify it. Like it or not that's how it is.
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Ooh, whose got the best lawyers?
All I know is, I don't have any lawyers! I sometimes worry that I'll get arrested for a murder I didn't commit and I'll go "phone my lawyer", only I don't have one and don't even know how you'd go about getting one. I'd probably just phone my mom or something.
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You do realize you are talking to someone at a fortune 100 right? I am way way bigger than your company. We have a big and great legal team. I don't know what the hell is with your attitude on here. Great way for a vendor to act. Guess we know to never do business with you.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
You do realize you are talking to someone at a fortune 100 right? I am way way bigger than your company. We have a big and great legal team. I don't know what the hell is with your attitude on here. Great way for a vendor to act. Guess we know to never do business with you.
Working as an employee for Fortune 100 company does't make you smarter / richer / happier than somebody who runs his "Mom&Dan" plumber shop on his own and built it from the ground up.
That's not even what we were talking about you brought up lawyers.. You enjoy being jerks over there at starwinds? I will never do business with such a company that has people acting like this.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I repeat: you do BAD things. You give advices to people based on your special conditions (if they do exist, I don't really care about that) and people may get hurt. Everything else is lyrics.
I specifically stated we had emails from the rep saying it was okay. Now your questioning MY ethics and morals? A vendor is now PERSONALLY attacking people on forums.. yeah. great company.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I repeat: you do BAD things. You give advices to people based on your special conditions (if they do exist, I don't really care about that) and people may get hurt. Everything else is lyrics.
I specifically stated we had emails from the rep saying it was okay. Now your questioning MY ethics and morals? A vendor is now PERSONALLY attacking people on forums.. yeah. great company.
You started with telling / talking EULA works for everybody just because you see it this way. Than appeared "sales rep told". Then "told" turned into e-mails. Look, whole story is above, what are you trying to do there? Call black with white? Why?
I'm not attacking you, I'm saying you can't do things like you do. I don't act as a vendor. Ever heard about good samaritan law? You have a great lawyers, go ask them LOL.
I said We confirmed with the rep what the EULA meant. He said it was allowed. So it is allowed for us. I did not realize it was not allowed in general from the EULA at the being as you can see if you actually read this thread.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
Yeah, I did. I asked if you have a questions about EULA you should talk to people inside your company who will go to court if you'll screw up. Because it's THEIR job. What's wrong with that?
As I've said before we already have..
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I'm not attacking you.
"I repeat: you do BAD things." is very much a personal attack.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I repeat: you do BAD things. You give advices to people based on your special conditions (if they do exist, I don't really care about that) and people may get hurt. Everything else is lyrics.
I specifically stated we had emails from the rep saying it was okay. Now your questioning MY ethics and morals? A vendor is now PERSONALLY attacking people on forums.. yeah. great company.
You started with telling / talking EULA works for everybody just because you see it this way. Than appeared "sales rep told". Then "told" turned into e-mails. Look, whole story is above, what are you trying to do there? Call black with white? Why?
I'm not attacking you, I'm saying you can't do things like you do. I don't act as a vendor. Ever heard about good samaritan law? You have a great lawyers, go ask them LOL.
I said We confirmed with the rep what the EULA meant. He said it was allowed. So it is allowed for us. I did not realize it was not allowed in general from the EULA at the being as you can see if you actually read this thread.
No, that's not how it is. Am I blind or what? Who wrote THIS?
"You are reading that incorrectly. That's just definitions, not the terms."
And there's a zillion posts between that and this. Move on dude.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
Ooh, whose got the best lawyers?
All I know is, I don't have any lawyers! I sometimes worry that I'll get arrested for a murder I didn't commit and I'll go "phone my lawyer", only I don't have one and don't even know how you'd go about getting one. I'd probably just phone my mom or something.
That's what most people do. You phone family and the family goes and hires a lawyer and then the lawyer calls you or stops by. Only the super rich have a lawyer ready to call and only so many people who have one have their number handy when being arrested.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I'm not attacking you.
"I repeat: you do BAD things." is very much a personal attack.
Confusing people is a bad thing. It's a constitution of fact. Where do you see attack? You can swim and somebody can't, he's asking can he cross the river and you say "yes" assuming he CAN swim. He dies. Who are you? Good person or bad person? Good advice vs bad advice? Etc.
Again you aren't reading the whole thread...
I said way up there
"Yeah sounds like EMC very well may have been making an expectation for us then since we spend so much with them on VMAX, Unity VSA etc."
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@scottalanmiller said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
That's what most people do.
You sound like you know quite a few people who have been wrongly arrested for murder
I say "wrongly" because if I actually murdered someone I'd probably do a bit of research on lawyers before my arrest.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
Yeah, I did. I asked if you have a questions about EULA you should talk to people inside your company who will go to court if you'll screw up. Because it's THEIR job. What's wrong with that?
As I've said before we already have..
I got that. You and your special conditions are out of question, these are others who get confused with "You are reading that incorrectly. That's just definitions, not the terms. Our EMC rep already confirmed it to us." thing. As simple as that.
You keep pointing to one post I was wrong in but forgetting there has been much conversation since then....
I know one things for sure.. I will never do business with Starwinds. I've seen enough how you act in this thread.
