Another Personal Storage Discussion
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@scottalanmiller said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)
Bitlocker is currently still understood to be completely safe for its intended purpose. It protects a non hibernated/sleep moded powered off computer. Your normal home invasion thief is going to pull the power plug and run away with the device. Once the device is powered down like this, Bitlocker will protect your home made pornos, er I mean data.
Also having a small box like Scott mentions allows you to hide it pretty well too, an Intel NUC and an External HDD, can be hidden pretty easily - though getting power there could present it's own issue.
I'm more interested in hearing how the "no local data" camp deals with this.
IMO, this is a pretty big ML push ... no local data. No servers, and no data on the local machines.
Stop Listening to everything Scott says and think on your own...
and yes as @JaredBusch said Onedrive etc are sync not backup.
It's more than just @scottalanmiller
It's a pretty prevalent recommendation here when people come to the forum with a question like "I have a smallish company that just uses Office and wants to install a server" ... there is a lot of push (for good reason) to O365.
Although that is an unrelated push. That's the push to stop running local applications but move to hosted ones. O365 doesn't mean data is non-local. O365 still has locally installed apps, Exchange can sync to local, etc. No local and using SaaS are two different things, but one makes the other much easier.
So you are saying the push to O365 does not include storing the data in OneDrive as well?
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@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@scottalanmiller said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)
Bitlocker is currently still understood to be completely safe for its intended purpose. It protects a non hibernated/sleep moded powered off computer. Your normal home invasion thief is going to pull the power plug and run away with the device. Once the device is powered down like this, Bitlocker will protect your home made pornos, er I mean data.
Also having a small box like Scott mentions allows you to hide it pretty well too, an Intel NUC and an External HDD, can be hidden pretty easily - though getting power there could present it's own issue.
I'm more interested in hearing how the "no local data" camp deals with this.
IMO, this is a pretty big ML push ... no local data. No servers, and no data on the local machines.
Stop Listening to everything Scott says and think on your own...
and yes as @JaredBusch said Onedrive etc are sync not backup.
It's more than just @scottalanmiller
It's a pretty prevalent recommendation here when people come to the forum with a question like "I have a smallish company that just uses Office and wants to install a server" ... there is a lot of push (for good reason) to O365.
Although that is an unrelated push. That's the push to stop running local applications but move to hosted ones. O365 doesn't mean data is non-local. O365 still has locally installed apps, Exchange can sync to local, etc. No local and using SaaS are two different things, but one makes the other much easier.
So you are saying the push to O365 does not include storing the data in OneDrive as well?
Not necessarily. ODfB is only one aspect of O365 storage. There is SharePoint as well. And there are versioning and backup options.
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A push to O365 also does not mean not using sync functionality. Using ODfB from O365 and syncing that to your local machines would still be using O365 but would also be having local files.
However, it does allow the local files to be disposable. There are two different "no local data" ideologies that are separate but rarely pointed out...
- No local data meaning that the end point is read only and blank so can be exposed or lost anytime.
- No local data meaning that local data is just a copy or working copy or cache of data stored elsewhere and the data is not protected via the end point as it is not the master.
When we are talking about normal office desktops, we normally mean the later. No one (or almost no one) is actually concerned about office theft of desktops (although this happened at Change.org because they are in San Francisco and use Macs so the hardware was worth way too much.) When we are talking about laptops in the field that you want to encrypt, we normally mean the former.
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@cakeis_not_alie said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Apologies if this is a little bit "self promotion", but I may have a relevant article for this discussion: http://webreaktech.com/2016/10/03/archival-cloud-storage-can-be-an-affordable-backup-layer/
Cheers to all!
Not bad. Not what I would call consumer friendly with the IOSafe (to costly) but with other less expensive NASs definitely a decent option.
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@Dashrender Any old Synology that can use DSM 6 will do. I just prefer the ioSafe because it plugs a specific backup gap. If that gap doesn't worry you, go the cheaper route.
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@scottalanmiller said
Not necessarily. ODfB is only one aspect of O365 storage. There is SharePoint as well. And there are versioning and backup options.
What backup options are there for ODfB?
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@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@scottalanmiller said
Not necessarily. ODfB is only one aspect of O365 storage. There is SharePoint as well. And there are versioning and backup options.
What backup options are there for ODfB?
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@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
OneDrive etc as a back the problem comes with malware, randsomeware and accidental deletion.
For a backup you really want it disconnected from the system and read only.
Crashplan works well for this.
Yes, but you have to get the data onto your local machine, which
a) requires an answer to my original question and
b) goes against the policy of many here (such as @scottalanmiller) of not storing data locallyif it's for home it doesn't really matter if you are storing it locally.. you don't for companies cause you want a central place to backup..
At home my workstation laptop (Lenovo P70) is that central place. Crash Plan lets me backup unlimited data from one computer and I backup a lot.
Hey I don't want people seeing all my stuff!
Crashplan always encrypts before sending. Add your own private key and you've got true TNO (trust no one) backups. You just get the fun of trying to secure and backup that private key
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My OneDrive for business data downloads onto my desktop too and all data is backed up on my desktop to a proper cloud backup provider.
So I have 2 copies of my data and a true backup.
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@JaredBusch said
That looks to be a proprietary DELL solution.
I know there are options to backup O365. (For example, Datto has one, as do other companies.)
Again, just wondering what others are doing who aren't saving data locally.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
My OneDrive for business data downloads onto my desktop too and all data is backed up on my desktop to a proper cloud backup provider.
So I have 2 copies of my data and a true backup.
Is the local data encrypted on your machine? Do you have no concern of the loss of that machine?
I use a laptop, but perhaps I am just projecting the higher risk of losing that to the desktop/NAS arena. I mean, am I just being over paranoid about losing a machine here?
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@BRRABill Stupid question: if you have The Fear of losing your NAS, why not just use the built-in encryption on the NAS? Or post an NFS share to a file server VM that will store the data in an encrypted container of some sort?
Que?
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@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Again, just wondering what others are doing who aren't saving data locally.
You don't. what is the point? This is one of the things you pay for.
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@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@JaredBusch said
That looks to be a proprietary DELL solution.
I know there are options to backup O365. (For example, Datto has one, as do other companies.)
WTF else are you after? You want to backup, you buy a backup solution. Does not matter if it is Office 365 or local.
http://spanning.com/products/office365-backup/
http://cloudfinder.com/office-365-backup/
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@JaredBusch Well, personally, I tend to prefer open source backup solutions, but maybe this is the wrong crowd for such radical ideas.
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@cakeis_not_alie said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@JaredBusch Well, personally, I tend to prefer open source backup solutions, but maybe this is the wrong crowd for such radical ideas.
Is there an open source product out there that will handle OneDrive backups?
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@cakeis_not_alie said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@JaredBusch Well, personally, I tend to prefer open source backup solutions, but maybe this is the wrong crowd for such radical ideas.
The issue here for Bill is - what open source backup solution will backup directly out of ODfB and OneDrive to a backup location?
That and Bill believes that it's ML's claim to fame that no date should ever be local to the user, EVER. Which I don't think is the case, but perhaps I'm mistaken.
Bill has taken past posts to indicate that one should never have local data, if that's not true, please convince him why it's not.
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@StrongBad Not directly. That said, I simply add OneDrive to my NAS (so that everyone can access it, and I don't need it on everyone's individual machines), and then back that one drive folder up to Backblaze. Because I'm lazy.
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@cakeis_not_alie said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@StrongBad Not directly. That said, I simply add OneDrive to my NAS (so that everyone can access it, and I don't need it on everyone's individual machines), and then back that one drive folder up to Backblaze. Because I'm lazy.
There's a OneDrive client for your NAS? cool - problem solved, well expect for the theft problem Bill worries about.
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@Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@cakeis_not_alie said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@StrongBad Not directly. That said, I simply add OneDrive to my NAS (so that everyone can access it, and I don't need it on everyone's individual machines), and then back that one drive folder up to Backblaze. Because I'm lazy.
There's a OneDrive client for your NAS? cool - problem solved, well expect for the theft problem Bill worries about.
I'm assuming he means he backs up his OneDrive folder to his NAS, and then backs that up.
Again, I think that would work. BUT, when I mentioned that in the past, it was recommended NOT to enable encryption on the NAS, or even the local machine. "Why are you storing data locally?"
This is the circle I am trying to close.
ML is based on discussion. I'm not sure why certain posters seem to find discussion moot anymore. It's pretty clear to me from the "how do I backup exchange online" thread the other day that there is still a lot of confusion over this.
