Another Personal Storage Discussion
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@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
OneDrive etc as a back the problem comes with malware, randsomeware and accidental deletion.
For a backup you really want it disconnected from the system and read only.
Crashplan works well for this.
Yes, but you have to get the data onto your local machine, which
a) requires an answer to my original question and
b) goes against the policy of many here (such as @scottalanmiller) of not storing data locallyif it's for home it doesn't really matter if you are storing it locally.. you don't for companies cause you want a central place to backup..
At home my workstation laptop (Lenovo P70) is that central place. Crash Plan lets me backup unlimited data from one computer and I backup a lot.
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@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
OneDrive etc as a back the problem comes with malware, randsomeware and accidental deletion.
For a backup you really want it disconnected from the system and read only.
Crashplan works well for this.
Yes, but you have to get the data onto your local machine, which
a) requires an answer to my original question and
b) goes against the policy of many here (such as @scottalanmiller) of not storing data locallyif it's for home it doesn't really matter if you are storing it locally.. you don't for companies cause you want a central place to backup..
At home my workstation laptop (Lenovo P70) is that central place. Crash Plan lets me backup unlimited data from one computer and I backup a lot.
Hey I don't want people seeing all my stuff!
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One thing you "could" do is make a tiny backup appliance at home, say with an Intel Nuc that runs Windows 10 Home and has OneDrive and syncs your files to a WD Red 3TB drive for super cheap. Then you CrashPlan that. Or BB it.
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Apologies if this is a little bit "self promotion", but I may have a relevant article for this discussion: http://webreaktech.com/2016/10/03/archival-cloud-storage-can-be-an-affordable-backup-layer/
Cheers to all!
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@scottalanmiller said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
One thing you "could" do is make a tiny backup appliance at home, say with an Intel Nuc that runs Windows 10 Home and has OneDrive and syncs your files to a WD Red 3TB drive for super cheap. Then you CrashPlan that. Or BB it.
Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)
Also, we always preach that Office365 (with storage in SharePoint/ODfB) is the way to go for the majority of small business cases. What do we do about backups in that scenario? @scottalanmiller are you backing up your ODfB or Sharepoint or whatever you are using?
I guess I am arguing (yet again) for storing data SOMEWHERE locally. And looking for an argument against it.
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Your average thief will see any kind of encryption and just toss or re-image the device.. It's risk vs reward. They want fast turn over and to get it out of their hands.
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@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Your average thief will see any kind of encryption and just toss or re-image the device.. It's risk vs reward. They want fast turn over and to get it out of their hands.
Right, but there are two parts to this discussion.
Security of the device (we all know once they have it, you can't guarantee security) ...
and also the idea that you should keep no data local.I guess my biggest question is ... to those who say "keep no data local" ... how do you deal with backups?
Know, as @JaredBusch has said many times, that OneDrive, etc., is SYNC not backup. Which I understand completely. I'm just wondering about those in the "no local data" camp, or those in the "move to O365 for data storage" camp ... what are you doing for backups?
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@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)
Bitlocker is currently still understood to be completely safe for its intended purpose. It protects a non hibernated/sleep moded powered off computer. Your normal home invasion thief is going to pull the power plug and run away with the device. Once the device is powered down like this, Bitlocker will protect your home made pornos, er I mean data.
Also having a small box like Scott mentions allows you to hide it pretty well too, an Intel NUC and an External HDD, can be hidden pretty easily - though getting power there could present it's own issue.
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@Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)
Bitlocker is currently still understood to be completely safe for its intended purpose. It protects a non hibernated/sleep moded powered off computer. Your normal home invasion thief is going to pull the power plug and run away with the device. Once the device is powered down like this, Bitlocker will protect your home made pornos, er I mean data.
Also having a small box like Scott mentions allows you to hide it pretty well too, an Intel NUC and an External HDD, can be hidden pretty easily - though getting power there could present it's own issue.
I'm more interested in hearing how the "no local data" camp deals with this.
IMO, this is a pretty big ML push ... no local data. No servers, and no data on the local machines.
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@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
I guess my biggest question is ... to those who say "keep no data local" ... how do you deal with backups?
For personal setups it doesn't matter. Is there really any more security to your server in basement compared to your desktop?
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@Dashrender said
Bitlocker will protect your home made pornos, er I mean data.
Damn, you figured me out.
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@Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)
Bitlocker is currently still understood to be completely safe for its intended purpose. It protects a non hibernated/sleep moded powered off computer.
It's really just "it protects machines when they've not been powered on and decrypted". No need for all of the descriptions of different powered on states.
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@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)
Bitlocker is currently still understood to be completely safe for its intended purpose. It protects a non hibernated/sleep moded powered off computer. Your normal home invasion thief is going to pull the power plug and run away with the device. Once the device is powered down like this, Bitlocker will protect your home made pornos, er I mean data.
Also having a small box like Scott mentions allows you to hide it pretty well too, an Intel NUC and an External HDD, can be hidden pretty easily - though getting power there could present it's own issue.
I'm more interested in hearing how the "no local data" camp deals with this.
IMO, this is a pretty big ML push ... no local data. No servers, and no data on the local machines.
Stop Listening to everything Scott says and think on your own...
and yes as @JaredBusch said Onedrive etc are sync not backup.
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@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
and also the idea that you should keep no data local.
You keep coming back to this one, and @scottalanmiller hasn't chimed in yet to it with regards to a home user situation.
But to me, the general thinking behind no local data is a corporate thing - i.e. no local data on the user's endpoint device, when possible. For example, it's not considered generally possible to send a sales person out with a laptop with no data on it at all, you have no idea what the internet situation will be like at your destination, so you bring the data with you.
Scott I don't think ever found a good solution to his video file dilemma while traveling outside the US. He was looking for a way to get huge video files backed up while on the road. @scottalanmiller did you make any headway?
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@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)
Bitlocker is currently still understood to be completely safe for its intended purpose. It protects a non hibernated/sleep moded powered off computer. Your normal home invasion thief is going to pull the power plug and run away with the device. Once the device is powered down like this, Bitlocker will protect your home made pornos, er I mean data.
Also having a small box like Scott mentions allows you to hide it pretty well too, an Intel NUC and an External HDD, can be hidden pretty easily - though getting power there could present it's own issue.
I'm more interested in hearing how the "no local data" camp deals with this.
IMO, this is a pretty big ML push ... no local data. No servers, and no data on the local machines.
Stop Listening to everything Scott says and think on your own...
and yes as @JaredBusch said Onedrive etc are sync not backup.
It's more than just @scottalanmiller
It's a pretty prevalent recommendation here when people come to the forum with a question like "I have a smallish company that just uses Office and wants to install a server" ... there is a lot of push (for good reason) to O365.
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@Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
and also the idea that you should keep no data local.
You keep coming back to this one, and @scottalanmiller hasn't chimed in yet to it with regards to a home user situation.
But to me, the general thinking behind no local data is a corporate thing - i.e. no local data on the user's endpoint device, when possible. For example, it's not considered generally possible to send a sales person out with a laptop with no data on it at all, you have no idea what the internet situation will be like at your destination, so you bring the data with you.
Scott I don't think ever found a good solution to his video file dilemma while traveling outside the US. He was looking for a way to get huge video files backed up while on the road. @scottalanmiller did you make any headway?
When would a salesperson bring non-public information to a client, though, in that fashion? If there was proprietary info for the client, it would be sent to them via email or other secure, electronic means. If there was data on the laptop, it would be public info for sales purposes.
In what scenario do you picture sales people on customer sites with proprietary data that needs to be secured needing access to that data? Possible, yes. Common, no.
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@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)
Bitlocker is currently still understood to be completely safe for its intended purpose. It protects a non hibernated/sleep moded powered off computer. Your normal home invasion thief is going to pull the power plug and run away with the device. Once the device is powered down like this, Bitlocker will protect your home made pornos, er I mean data.
Also having a small box like Scott mentions allows you to hide it pretty well too, an Intel NUC and an External HDD, can be hidden pretty easily - though getting power there could present it's own issue.
I'm more interested in hearing how the "no local data" camp deals with this.
IMO, this is a pretty big ML push ... no local data. No servers, and no data on the local machines.
Stop Listening to everything Scott says and think on your own...
and yes as @JaredBusch said Onedrive etc are sync not backup.
It's more than just @scottalanmiller
It's a pretty prevalent recommendation here when people come to the forum with a question like "I have a smallish company that just uses Office and wants to install a server" ... there is a lot of push (for good reason) to O365.
Although that is an unrelated push. That's the push to stop running local applications but move to hosted ones. O365 doesn't mean data is non-local. O365 still has locally installed apps, Exchange can sync to local, etc. No local and using SaaS are two different things, but one makes the other much easier.
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@Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Scott I don't think ever found a good solution to his video file dilemma while traveling outside the US. He was looking for a way to get huge video files backed up while on the road. @scottalanmiller did you make any headway?
No, but they aren't on my laptop, either
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@scottalanmiller said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)
Bitlocker is currently still understood to be completely safe for its intended purpose. It protects a non hibernated/sleep moded powered off computer. Your normal home invasion thief is going to pull the power plug and run away with the device. Once the device is powered down like this, Bitlocker will protect your home made pornos, er I mean data.
Also having a small box like Scott mentions allows you to hide it pretty well too, an Intel NUC and an External HDD, can be hidden pretty easily - though getting power there could present it's own issue.
I'm more interested in hearing how the "no local data" camp deals with this.
IMO, this is a pretty big ML push ... no local data. No servers, and no data on the local machines.
Stop Listening to everything Scott says and think on your own...
and yes as @JaredBusch said Onedrive etc are sync not backup.
It's more than just @scottalanmiller
It's a pretty prevalent recommendation here when people come to the forum with a question like "I have a smallish company that just uses Office and wants to install a server" ... there is a lot of push (for good reason) to O365.
Although that is an unrelated push. That's the push to stop running local applications but move to hosted ones. O365 doesn't mean data is non-local. O365 still has locally installed apps, Exchange can sync to local, etc. No local and using SaaS are two different things, but one makes the other much easier.
So you are saying the push to O365 does not include storing the data in OneDrive as well?
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@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@scottalanmiller said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:
Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)
Bitlocker is currently still understood to be completely safe for its intended purpose. It protects a non hibernated/sleep moded powered off computer. Your normal home invasion thief is going to pull the power plug and run away with the device. Once the device is powered down like this, Bitlocker will protect your home made pornos, er I mean data.
Also having a small box like Scott mentions allows you to hide it pretty well too, an Intel NUC and an External HDD, can be hidden pretty easily - though getting power there could present it's own issue.
I'm more interested in hearing how the "no local data" camp deals with this.
IMO, this is a pretty big ML push ... no local data. No servers, and no data on the local machines.
Stop Listening to everything Scott says and think on your own...
and yes as @JaredBusch said Onedrive etc are sync not backup.
It's more than just @scottalanmiller
It's a pretty prevalent recommendation here when people come to the forum with a question like "I have a smallish company that just uses Office and wants to install a server" ... there is a lot of push (for good reason) to O365.
Although that is an unrelated push. That's the push to stop running local applications but move to hosted ones. O365 doesn't mean data is non-local. O365 still has locally installed apps, Exchange can sync to local, etc. No local and using SaaS are two different things, but one makes the other much easier.
So you are saying the push to O365 does not include storing the data in OneDrive as well?
Not necessarily. ODfB is only one aspect of O365 storage. There is SharePoint as well. And there are versioning and backup options.
