MangoCon 2017
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@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@JaredBusch said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
Is there an ETA on a release of intended training topics / sketch of agenda? I'd like to make a pitch to management to try to offset the costs, and being able to relate specific topics to job function would be helpful.
I need this if I'm going to try a last min attendance.
Well your management wont care about my sessions on VoIP.
Not specifically, that's true.
They will when I say, "this conference will help solidify my knowledge about what needs to be done for a project that'll save us about $500 - $600 / month."
Well in my specific case they won't - there's already a thread on here where ML's own Scott Alan Miller agreed that the pre-existing equipment made moving to FOSS phone system not financially the way to go.
I'm currently in a position to look at switching systems again. I have 50 or so digital handsets on a 20 yr old Inter-tel setup. The phones work for the most part. I con convert the main brain to all SIP, with a digital convertor connection for around $6K. Converting all of those phones to VOIP, plus the required cabling changes would cost me at least $18K. Everything else stays the same.
Question for you - assuming you already have a phone system in place, how are you planning on saving $5-600/month?
I switched from a T1 to SIP trunks and saved around $300/month, but that had zero to do with the PBX system.If you're greenfield, or have to replace all the phones anyways - then it's easy to go all new VOIP phones and something like FreePBX, very little licensing fees, and the phones had to be replaced anyhow, so that part is a wash.
But I'm rather curious where your monthly savings comes in?
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@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@JaredBusch said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
Is there an ETA on a release of intended training topics / sketch of agenda? I'd like to make a pitch to management to try to offset the costs, and being able to relate specific topics to job function would be helpful.
I need this if I'm going to try a last min attendance.
Well your management wont care about my sessions on VoIP.
Not specifically, that's true.
They will when I say, "this conference will help solidify my knowledge about what needs to be done for a project that'll save us about $500 - $600 / month."
A 3-month ROI for an annual conference? Should definitely be a win-win.
What? Your attendance at this conference is $1500-1800? I suppose it could be.
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@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@JaredBusch said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
Is there an ETA on a release of intended training topics / sketch of agenda? I'd like to make a pitch to management to try to offset the costs, and being able to relate specific topics to job function would be helpful.
I need this if I'm going to try a last min attendance.
Well your management wont care about my sessions on VoIP.
Not specifically, that's true.
They will when I say, "this conference will help solidify my knowledge about what needs to be done for a project that'll save us about $500 - $600 / month."
A 3-month ROI for an annual conference? Should definitely be a win-win.
What? Your attendance at this conference is $1500-1800? I suppose it could be.
For me, that includes ticket, hotel, & airfare.
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@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@JaredBusch said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
Is there an ETA on a release of intended training topics / sketch of agenda? I'd like to make a pitch to management to try to offset the costs, and being able to relate specific topics to job function would be helpful.
I need this if I'm going to try a last min attendance.
Well your management wont care about my sessions on VoIP.
Not specifically, that's true.
They will when I say, "this conference will help solidify my knowledge about what needs to be done for a project that'll save us about $500 - $600 / month."
A 3-month ROI for an annual conference? Should definitely be a win-win.
What? Your attendance at this conference is $1500-1800? I suppose it could be.
For me, that includes ticket, hotel, & airfare.
Yeah - I think I would have been the same if not for splitting a room.
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@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@JaredBusch said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
Is there an ETA on a release of intended training topics / sketch of agenda? I'd like to make a pitch to management to try to offset the costs, and being able to relate specific topics to job function would be helpful.
I need this if I'm going to try a last min attendance.
Well your management wont care about my sessions on VoIP.
Not specifically, that's true.
They will when I say, "this conference will help solidify my knowledge about what needs to be done for a project that'll save us about $500 - $600 / month."
Well in my specific case they won't - there's already a thread on here where ML's own Scott Alan Miller agreed that the pre-existing equipment made moving to FOSS phone system not financially the way to go.
I'm currently in a position to look at switching systems again. I have 50 or so digital handsets on a 20 yr old Inter-tel setup. The phones work for the most part. I con convert the main brain to all SIP, with a digital convertor connection for around $6K. Converting all of those phones to VOIP, plus the required cabling changes would cost me at least $18K. Everything else stays the same.
Question for you - assuming you already have a phone system in place, how are you planning on saving $5-600/month?
I switched from a T1 to SIP trunks and saved around $300/month, but that had zero to do with the PBX system.If you're greenfield, or have to replace all the phones anyways - then it's easy to go all new VOIP phones and something like FreePBX, very little licensing fees, and the phones had to be replaced anyhow, so that part is a wash.
But I'm rather curious where your monthly savings comes in?
Forgive me for rolling SIP trunking, VoIP, and PBX all into the overarching term "VoIP". Savings will be from dumping the T1. It's been a while since I crunched the numbers, and I might be misremembering the amount, but the savings were in the hundreds of dollars / month.
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@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@JaredBusch said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
Is there an ETA on a release of intended training topics / sketch of agenda? I'd like to make a pitch to management to try to offset the costs, and being able to relate specific topics to job function would be helpful.
I need this if I'm going to try a last min attendance.
Well your management wont care about my sessions on VoIP.
Not specifically, that's true.
They will when I say, "this conference will help solidify my knowledge about what needs to be done for a project that'll save us about $500 - $600 / month."
A 3-month ROI for an annual conference? Should definitely be a win-win.
What? Your attendance at this conference is $1500-1800? I suppose it could be.
All expenses (registration, flight, and hotel) will be about $1300 for me. I'll only be asking for the registration fee from the company. The rest won't pass the laugh test.
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@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@JaredBusch said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
Is there an ETA on a release of intended training topics / sketch of agenda? I'd like to make a pitch to management to try to offset the costs, and being able to relate specific topics to job function would be helpful.
I need this if I'm going to try a last min attendance.
Well your management wont care about my sessions on VoIP.
Not specifically, that's true.
They will when I say, "this conference will help solidify my knowledge about what needs to be done for a project that'll save us about $500 - $600 / month."
A 3-month ROI for an annual conference? Should definitely be a win-win.
What? Your attendance at this conference is $1500-1800? I suppose it could be.
All expenses (registration, flight, and hotel) will be about $1300 for me. I'll only be asking for the registration fee from the company. The rest won't pass the laugh test.
that stinks! My company gives me $2500/yr for training budget. Luckily this covers the cost of MLcon or Spiceworld, but not both. .and definitely not some of the really big cons.
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@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@JaredBusch said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
Is there an ETA on a release of intended training topics / sketch of agenda? I'd like to make a pitch to management to try to offset the costs, and being able to relate specific topics to job function would be helpful.
I need this if I'm going to try a last min attendance.
Well your management wont care about my sessions on VoIP.
Not specifically, that's true.
They will when I say, "this conference will help solidify my knowledge about what needs to be done for a project that'll save us about $500 - $600 / month."
A 3-month ROI for an annual conference? Should definitely be a win-win.
What? Your attendance at this conference is $1500-1800? I suppose it could be.
All expenses (registration, flight, and hotel) will be about $1300 for me. I'll only be asking for the registration fee from the company. The rest won't pass the laugh test.
that stinks! My company gives me $2500/yr for training budget. Luckily this covers the cost of MLcon or Spiceworld, but not both. .and definitely not some of the really big cons.
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@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@JaredBusch said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
Is there an ETA on a release of intended training topics / sketch of agenda? I'd like to make a pitch to management to try to offset the costs, and being able to relate specific topics to job function would be helpful.
I need this if I'm going to try a last min attendance.
Well your management wont care about my sessions on VoIP.
Not specifically, that's true.
They will when I say, "this conference will help solidify my knowledge about what needs to be done for a project that'll save us about $500 - $600 / month."
A 3-month ROI for an annual conference? Should definitely be a win-win.
What? Your attendance at this conference is $1500-1800? I suppose it could be.
Single suite at the hotel, liberal raiding of mini-bar, limo from airport....
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@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@JaredBusch said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
Is there an ETA on a release of intended training topics / sketch of agenda? I'd like to make a pitch to management to try to offset the costs, and being able to relate specific topics to job function would be helpful.
I need this if I'm going to try a last min attendance.
Well your management wont care about my sessions on VoIP.
Not specifically, that's true.
They will when I say, "this conference will help solidify my knowledge about what needs to be done for a project that'll save us about $500 - $600 / month."
A 3-month ROI for an annual conference? Should definitely be a win-win.
What? Your attendance at this conference is $1500-1800? I suppose it could be.
For me, that includes ticket, hotel, & airfare.
You could have car pooled.
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@scottalanmiller said in MangoCon 2017:
@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@JaredBusch said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
Is there an ETA on a release of intended training topics / sketch of agenda? I'd like to make a pitch to management to try to offset the costs, and being able to relate specific topics to job function would be helpful.
I need this if I'm going to try a last min attendance.
Well your management wont care about my sessions on VoIP.
Not specifically, that's true.
They will when I say, "this conference will help solidify my knowledge about what needs to be done for a project that'll save us about $500 - $600 / month."
A 3-month ROI for an annual conference? Should definitely be a win-win.
What? Your attendance at this conference is $1500-1800? I suppose it could be.
For me, that includes ticket, hotel, & airfare.
You could have car pooled.
From Dallas? That would take 2 days.
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@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@scottalanmiller said in MangoCon 2017:
@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@JaredBusch said in MangoCon 2017:
@Dashrender said in MangoCon 2017:
@EddieJennings said in MangoCon 2017:
Is there an ETA on a release of intended training topics / sketch of agenda? I'd like to make a pitch to management to try to offset the costs, and being able to relate specific topics to job function would be helpful.
I need this if I'm going to try a last min attendance.
Well your management wont care about my sessions on VoIP.
Not specifically, that's true.
They will when I say, "this conference will help solidify my knowledge about what needs to be done for a project that'll save us about $500 - $600 / month."
A 3-month ROI for an annual conference? Should definitely be a win-win.
What? Your attendance at this conference is $1500-1800? I suppose it could be.
For me, that includes ticket, hotel, & airfare.
You could have car pooled.
From Dallas? That would take 2 days.
You realize I did that this week right
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@dominica and i are driving from Dallas to MangoCon.
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@scottalanmiller said in MangoCon 2017:
@dominica and i are driving from Dallas to MangoCon.
Unlike most people you have almost ultimate flexibility.
He would lose 4 days of work to travel.
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@scottalanmiller said in MangoCon 2017:
@dominica and i are driving from Dallas to MangoCon.
7 days straight with Scott? Hmm. Let me think on that one.
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@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@scottalanmiller said in MangoCon 2017:
@dominica and i are driving from Dallas to MangoCon.
7 days straight with Scott? Hmm. Let me think on that one.
More like let me buy a kidney dialysis machine for the road trip. . .
John Olivier Dialysis.
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No MangoCon for NerdyDad this year.
Boss wants me to focus on Windows Server 2016 this year. Plus, he's out on vacation that same week, which means I'll need to hold down the fort. The place can about run itself, but still.
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@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
No MangoCon for NerdyDad this year.
Boss wants me to focus on Windows Server 2016 this year. Plus, he's out on vacation that same week, which means I'll need to hold down the fort. The place can about run itself, but still.
But System Administration was on the docket for this time.
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@scottalanmiller said in MangoCon 2017:
@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
No MangoCon for NerdyDad this year.
Boss wants me to focus on Windows Server 2016 this year. Plus, he's out on vacation that same week, which means I'll need to hold down the fort. The place can about run itself, but still.
But System Administration was on the docket for this time.
He didn't really want to talk about it. As soon as I began talking about it, he said no and insisted on MS Server 2016.
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@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
@scottalanmiller said in MangoCon 2017:
@NerdyDad said in MangoCon 2017:
No MangoCon for NerdyDad this year.
Boss wants me to focus on Windows Server 2016 this year. Plus, he's out on vacation that same week, which means I'll need to hold down the fort. The place can about run itself, but still.
But System Administration was on the docket for this time.
He didn't really want to talk about it. As soon as I began talking about it, he said no and insisted on MS Server 2016.
My point was that he agreed.
