RRAS vs. everything
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@stacksofplates said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Is the FIOS box similar to a plain cable modem with no other features, or is it at least an option?
Yes, you can OPTIONALLY get a ridiculous and useless bridge just to be weird. ANd people do all the time.
Where does FIOS terminate the ethernet? the box outside your house?
Yes, it's ethernet to the box, and ethernet to the house. Fiber can carry ethernet to the doorstep now, no need for something different.
You've lost me, and now I'm at a loss for the correct words - what is the CAT5e, etc cabling called versus the fiber cable? Fiber of course can be miles or more long.. but CAT 5e, etc definitely can't be.
The ER-X only supports RJ45 plugs... so where does the cable convert from fiber to CAT5e, etc cable?At the cable company I worked at we used Calix. So inside their house we had an ONT. Fiber went directly to the ONT and then ethernet from there.
Perfect... so the fiber to copper convertor is on or in the customer house.
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
So the Fiber terminates on the outside of the house? Then the carrier converts the fiber into copper and drops a line inside the house?
Yes, it's Ethernet over CAT5e (or 6, no idea) to the end user. Nothing but CAT5e Ethernet is ever delivered. You never get fiber, that would be a disaster of people breaking things. Anything other than CAT5e is just ridiculously silly as they have to translate to all kinds of protocols and media for no reason and just make things expensive and slow.
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Relating this to cable TV that uses Fiber.
Well, that would be fiber TV. Cable TV is called Cable TV because it comes over a cable. You don't call Satellite TV, Cable TV over Satellite.
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@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Relating this to cable TV that uses Fiber.
Well, that would be fiber TV. Cable TV is called Cable TV because it comes over a cable. You don't call Satellite TV, Cable TV over Satellite.
touche!
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
So I would assume the same goes for FIOS. The fiber isn't running through the ground/overhead directly into the house plugged directly into the home owner's equipment - it's typically converted to copper somewhere - where is that conversion?
Conversion is AT THE HOUSE. Can't legally call it fiber and not deliver fiber. This is pretty straight forward. ALL Internet, even satellite, is on fiber on the back bone. What a service is called is based on what is delivered to your door, not what runs "somewhere else that you don't get."
When you get FiOS, you get... FiOS. It's that simple. That's why it is called "fiber to the door" not "fiber somewhere else." It's literally fiber right to your house.
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
There is a fiber hut in my neighborhood. From that hut there is a coax run to my house.
Then THAT is just normal, every day cable. That there is fiber "somewhere" is just marketing, because all cable, all television, all Internet, all phones... are fiber somewhere.
You would never mention that there is fiber in your instance as it's meaningless and something we already know. You just have traditional cable.
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@JaredBusch said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@alex.olynyk said in RRAS vs. everything:
I know this is off-topic but for those of you using Ubiquiti ER-X for your home router, does that replace your cable/FIOS router?
Yes it does.
No it doesn't
Sure does here.
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
LOL you use ethernet like I do - to describe copper. But as Scott properly pointed out earlier, the ethernet protocol works over both copper and fiber.
Some fiber isn't Ethernet, some is. I think the one that we get is, but that I am not sure of. I know that something over fiber, easily Ethernet, gets to the box and then we get copper Ethernet from there. In theory, I suspect, we could get Ethernet over fiber from it, too. But no one wants that.
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@stacksofplates said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Is the FIOS box similar to a plain cable modem with no other features, or is it at least an option?
Yes, you can OPTIONALLY get a ridiculous and useless bridge just to be weird. ANd people do all the time.
Where does FIOS terminate the ethernet? the box outside your house?
Yes, it's ethernet to the box, and ethernet to the house. Fiber can carry ethernet to the doorstep now, no need for something different.
You've lost me, and now I'm at a loss for the correct words - what is the CAT5e, etc cabling called versus the fiber cable? Fiber of course can be miles or more long.. but CAT 5e, etc definitely can't be.
The ER-X only supports RJ45 plugs... so where does the cable convert from fiber to CAT5e, etc cable?At the cable company I worked at we used Calix. So inside their house we had an ONT. Fiber went directly to the ONT and then ethernet from there.
Perfect... so the fiber to copper convertor is on or in the customer house.
ThanksCorrect. The fiber actually touches the house.
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@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
There is a fiber hut in my neighborhood. From that hut there is a coax run to my house.
Then THAT is just normal, every day cable. That there is fiber "somewhere" is just marketing, because all cable, all television, all Internet, all phones... are fiber somewhere.
You would never mention that there is fiber in your instance as it's meaningless and something we already know. You just have traditional cable.
Then why mention it's fiber to the edge of your house? They aren't delivering fiber to you, they are delivering copper to you. Seems like a different thing. Fiber to the box in my neighborhood with copper running from there - how would that be different than fiber terminated on the edge of your house that you still can't touch?
Yeah I get the backbone stuff, we'll leave that out of this conversation.
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@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@JaredBusch said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@alex.olynyk said in RRAS vs. everything:
I know this is off-topic but for those of you using Ubiquiti ER-X for your home router, does that replace your cable/FIOS router?
Yes it does.
No it doesn't
Sure does here.
The thread did not load right last night when I posted that. I noted that in the following post.
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@JaredBusch said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@JaredBusch said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@alex.olynyk said in RRAS vs. everything:
I know this is off-topic but for those of you using Ubiquiti ER-X for your home router, does that replace your cable/FIOS router?
Yes it does.
No it doesn't
Sure does here.
The thread did not load right last night when I posted that. I noted that in the following post.
Gotcha
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Then why mention it's fiber to the edge of your house? They aren't delivering fiber to you, they are delivering copper to you.
Well, it's fiber TO you, not fiber that you get. If I drive a truck to your drive way, but offload a palette for you, it's a truck TO you even though I'm not physically giving you the keys to my truck. The fiber is what you are getting all the way to the demarcation point, it's fiber literally on your property, on your house. The last mile is all fiber, the FiOS people have no copper only fiber.
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Fiber to the box in my neighborhood with copper running from there - how would that be different than fiber terminated on the edge of your house that you still can't touch?
Because there is no fiber TO YOU at all. Your last mile is coax. All services are fiber backed and named by the last mile - what goes TO YOU.
You have coax, plain and simple. FiOS is fiber, plain and simple.
