Logical IT Certification Progression
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@Dashrender said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@Dashrender said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I would like to go down the Microsoft tract into servers and software development I think.
Microsoft isn't bad, but they do test a certain way. Once you learn their testing thought process, the tests are fairly easy. The first time you take a MS test, it can through you for a loop.
Example of what you mean?
Well for me it was that you had to read one book ahead. Read book 1, take the test, and you're damned lucky if you don't fail it. While reading book 2, you see all the things they asked about in test 1, and realize you need to read books 2 and 3 before you even consider taking test 2.
This sounds like more of a problem with MS's training books than with the tests themselves.
What if you studied with non-MS training materials?Back then there weren't many options. I haven't studied for MS test that way since then, I don't know if it has changed or not.
It wasn't that way in Windows 2012. Back when I took Windows 2000 you were basically tested on all 7 books at once when taking your MCSE tests.
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@wirestyle22 said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I agree with this 100% as someone who went the A+, Net +, MCSA track. A+ didn't teach me anything useful. It was a test just to get a piece of paper to help me get a job. Unfortunately, many IT companies require A+ or at least look at it like it should be a requirement.
Net+ is just basic networking knowledge and yes anyone in IT should know the material on there. Even HelpDesk techs could benefit from understanding networking. I feel like there are some desktop techs who don't really understand what a firewall, switch, or router really is. They would benefit greatly from Net+. While I believe Network+ was a decent certification, I would take CCENT if I had to do it over. The material is similiar and it gives you the option to continue to the CCNA track. CCENT is cisco focused, but most of it is learning networking that works the same with any device.
I never took Server+ or Security+. After taking A+ and Net+ I really wasn't too impressed with CompTIA.
I would say almost anyone would benefit from studying the network+ material
My Net+ books were great. Lots of "basic" info, foundational stuff, general stuff, multiple platforms, lots of reference material, etc etc. Hours doing IP address conversions, subnetting, binary math.
The test was just the icing on the cake. It's cheap enough, and "proves" some level of foundation. Otherwise you still have nothing left to show for studies. -
@guyinpv I'm saying anyone as in, even typical users. It's 2016--we use computers for everything. People should know how they work to some degree. Why do people know how to maintain their car but not their computer?
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@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@wirestyle22 said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I agree with this 100% as someone who went the A+, Net +, MCSA track. A+ didn't teach me anything useful. It was a test just to get a piece of paper to help me get a job. Unfortunately, many IT companies require A+ or at least look at it like it should be a requirement.
Net+ is just basic networking knowledge and yes anyone in IT should know the material on there. Even HelpDesk techs could benefit from understanding networking. I feel like there are some desktop techs who don't really understand what a firewall, switch, or router really is. They would benefit greatly from Net+. While I believe Network+ was a decent certification, I would take CCENT if I had to do it over. The material is similiar and it gives you the option to continue to the CCNA track. CCENT is cisco focused, but most of it is learning networking that works the same with any device.
I never took Server+ or Security+. After taking A+ and Net+ I really wasn't too impressed with CompTIA.
I would say almost anyone would benefit from studying the network+ material
My Net+ books were great. Lots of "basic" info, foundational stuff, general stuff, multiple platforms, lots of reference material, etc etc. Hours doing IP address conversions, subnetting, binary math.
The test was just the icing on the cake. It's cheap enough, and "proves" some level of foundation. Otherwise you still have nothing left to show for studies.It was the Exam Cram books for me. Back around 1998 - 2002 those books were excellent quality. Worth keeping as technical reference.
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@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
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Great post and well said. This is similar advice to what I give... but much more thoroughly thought out and written.
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@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
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@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
Probably saturation. He probably sees the CCNA now as people saw the A+ more than 5 years ago. Also probably has to do with being vendor specific for being so regarded... instead of something that is truly standard.
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@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
Eli the computer guy is far from an authority on anything IMO.
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@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
Eli the computer guy is far from an authority on anything IMO.
I'm sure he would beg to differ. I randomly decided to let a couple of his daily vlogs run in the background, the dude is quite sure of himself when it comes to be an IT person. What would make you think he's got nothing to offer? Just curious.
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@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
Eli the computer guy is far from an authority on anything IMO.
I'm sure he would beg to differ. I randomly decided to let a couple of his daily vlogs run in the background, the dude is quite sure of himself when it comes to be an IT person. What would make you think he's got nothing to offer? Just curious.
I've had run ins with him on SW where he was violating policy and said that he could do anything that he wanted there basically because he was more important than all of us. Very unprofessional, I felt.
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@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
Probably saturation. He probably sees the CCNA now as people saw the A+ more than 5 years ago. Also probably has to do with being vendor specific for being so regarded... instead of something that is truly standard.
That's a good reason. I see the CCNA as worthless. It's dead common, only useful for people too low on the totem pole to need Cisco specific details. If someone has one, I start to assume that they aren't sure what a networking job looks like. It's "that cert" that you get when you are confused about what different certs are for.
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@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
Probably saturation. He probably sees the CCNA now as people saw the A+ more than 5 years ago. Also probably has to do with being vendor specific for being so regarded... instead of something that is truly standard.
That's a good reason. I see the CCNA as worthless. It's dead common, only useful for people too low on the totem pole to need Cisco specific details. If someone has one, I start to assume that they aren't sure what a networking job looks like. It's "that cert" that you get when you are confused about what different certs are for.
You can skip the CCNA and go straight to a CCNE? or whatever the higher level is?
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@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
Eli the computer guy is far from an authority on anything IMO.
I'm sure he would beg to differ. I randomly decided to let a couple of his daily vlogs run in the background, the dude is quite sure of himself when it comes to be an IT person. What would make you think he's got nothing to offer? Just curious.
You're right he would beg to differ. He says some good stuff, but he is too full of himself. He's a really bad teacher. The analogies he uses are awful and rarely make sense. He feels like he must make an analogy for everything.
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@Dashrender said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
Probably saturation. He probably sees the CCNA now as people saw the A+ more than 5 years ago. Also probably has to do with being vendor specific for being so regarded... instead of something that is truly standard.
That's a good reason. I see the CCNA as worthless. It's dead common, only useful for people too low on the totem pole to need Cisco specific details. If someone has one, I start to assume that they aren't sure what a networking job looks like. It's "that cert" that you get when you are confused about what different certs are for.
You can skip the CCNA and go straight to a CCNE? or whatever the higher level is?
CCNP
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@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
Probably saturation. He probably sees the CCNA now as people saw the A+ more than 5 years ago. Also probably has to do with being vendor specific for being so regarded... instead of something that is truly standard.
That's a good reason. I see the CCNA as worthless. It's dead common, only useful for people too low on the totem pole to need Cisco specific details. If someone has one, I start to assume that they aren't sure what a networking job looks like. It's "that cert" that you get when you are confused about what different certs are for.
Is CCNA not "Cisco"? Is it very general?
Is there a high-level but general networking cert above Net+ that is worthwhile? Or should one only look to Cisco tracts? What about Juniper? I would kind of want to ride both trains. When job hunting, sure Cisco turns up more, but I've been interested in plenty of jobs where it turns out they use Juniper. Makes me hesitate to jump deep into either unless job required it.
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@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
Probably saturation. He probably sees the CCNA now as people saw the A+ more than 5 years ago. Also probably has to do with being vendor specific for being so regarded... instead of something that is truly standard.
That's a good reason. I see the CCNA as worthless. It's dead common, only useful for people too low on the totem pole to need Cisco specific details. If someone has one, I start to assume that they aren't sure what a networking job looks like. It's "that cert" that you get when you are confused about what different certs are for.
Is CCNA not "Cisco"? Is it very general?
It's a higher level, it's the first level of cert that you need to usefully be trained on Cisco. You need a CCNP or higher for a "Cisco job".
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@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
Is there a high-level but general networking cert above Net+ that is worthwhile? Or should one only look to Cisco tracts? What about Juniper? I would kind of want to ride both trains. When job hunting, sure Cisco turns up more, but I've been interested in plenty of jobs where it turns out they use Juniper. Makes me hesitate to jump deep into either unless job required it.
Not much. Networking rapidly becomes about knowing the products.
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@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
Eli the computer guy is far from an authority on anything IMO.
I'm sure he would beg to differ. I randomly decided to let a couple of his daily vlogs run in the background, the dude is quite sure of himself when it comes to be an IT person. What would make you think he's got nothing to offer? Just curious.
I've had run ins with him on SW where he was violating policy and said that he could do anything that he wanted there basically because he was more important than all of us. Very unprofessional, I felt.
Not surprising. I get that vibe from his videos. He thinks he is a god.
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@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
Eli the computer guy is far from an authority on anything IMO.
I'm sure he would beg to differ. I randomly decided to let a couple of his daily vlogs run in the background, the dude is quite sure of himself when it comes to be an IT person. What would make you think he's got nothing to offer? Just curious.
I've had run ins with him on SW where he was violating policy and said that he could do anything that he wanted there basically because he was more important than all of us. Very unprofessional, I felt.
Not surprising. I get that vibe from his videos. He thinks he is a god.
That was the impression on SW, too. And he's not even a community member, really, he's very much a newbie without any peer review.
