BRRABill's Field Report With Linux

BRRABill

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

You're losing the 15G, right?

I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

DustinB3403

But you wouldn't be only modifying the 15GB partition, you'd be effecting the boot section of the drive etc.

It's much cleaner to just leave it there, and add a 100GB drive, and point all of the logging to that PV.

Which wouldn't be a bad topic on it's own.

scottalanmiller

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

You're losing the 15G, right?

I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

BRRABill

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

You're losing the 15G, right?

I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

Dashrender

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

You're losing the 15G, right?

I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.

It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.

Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

BRRABill

@Dashrender said

Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

That's not how I understood thin provisioning to work.

You can take the VHD offline and resize it in WIndows, but I don't think you can in XS.

scottalanmiller

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

You're losing the 15G, right?

I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.

It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.

Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

Oh sorry, yes. Don't use appliances, build your own with proper specs

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

You're losing the 15G, right?

I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.

It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.

Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

scottalanmiller

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@Dashrender said

Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

That's not how I understood thin provisioning to work.

You can take the VHD offline and resize it in WIndows, but I don't think you can in XS.

Don't resize.... remove.

BRRABill

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

You're losing the 15G, right?

I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.

It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.

Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

But in this particular appliance scenario, that is not possible, correct?

scottalanmiller

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

You're losing the 15G, right?

I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.

It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.

Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

But in this particular appliance scenario, that is not possible, correct?

I don't have the appliance in front of me, are there not separate disks for these things?

DustinB3403

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

You're losing the 15G, right?

I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.

It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.

Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

But in this particular appliance scenario, that is not possible, correct?

I don't have the appliance in front of me, are there not separate disks for these things?

No, the OVA imports a single disk with 2 LV's.

BRRABill

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

You're losing the 15G, right?

I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.

It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.

Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

But in this particular appliance scenario, that is not possible, correct?

I don't have the appliance in front of me, are there not separate disks for these things?

No, the OVA imports a single disk with 2 LV's.

Correct.

  LV     VG         Attr      LSize  Pool Origin Data%  Move Log Copy%  Convert
  root   graylog-vg -wi-ao--- 15.29g
  swap_1 graylog-vg -wi-ao---  4.00g

scottalanmiller

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

You're losing the 15G, right?

I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.

It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.

Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

But in this particular appliance scenario, that is not possible, correct?

I don't have the appliance in front of me, are there not separate disks for these things?

No, the OVA imports a single disk with 2 LV's.

That's bad design.

travisdh1

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

You're losing the 15G, right?

I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.

It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.

Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

But in this particular appliance scenario, that is not possible, correct?

I don't have the appliance in front of me, are there not separate disks for these things?

No, the OVA imports a single disk with 2 LV's.

That's bad design.

How XS works storage has made me question what in the world they're doing often times.

My particular problem here is that I probably messed up when importing the local storage.

DustinB3403

No there is no way to have messed up importing the "appliance".

They provide it as a single OVA file, the boots directly to a login prompt.

momurda

Doesn't ova use 1 disk automatically? If you export/import a vm as ova that contains multiple disks (c,d,e) they all are aggregated as 1 ova file during the export/import. I thin it says so on XS and VMWare when setting up these operations. ovf will give you different disks for you

DustinB3403

@momurda even if it does, this would be GrayLog's issue for building an OVA file, rather than an OVF.

But I'm not certain of that, maybe.

momurda

Yes, I agree. You could just increase the ova size then extend the logging lvm to give yourself more free space.

stacksofplates

@DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

@momurda even if it does, this would be GrayLog's issue for building an OVA file, rather than an OVF.

But I'm not certain of that, maybe.

The OVF is inside of the OVA. If you want multiple disks, you can just edit the OVF.