What Are You Doing Right Now
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The same viability problems exist for the new Surface 3 - $499 is way to expensive for any business to eve consider it.
To get to a similar footing as the Surface Pro3 you'll need to add $100 for the Pro Pack and $50 for the pen. Now you're at $750... only $50 away from the cost of an i3 Surface Pro 3....
The Surface 3 is $100 to expensive for what it is.. it should at least include the keyboard at this price.
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@Dashrender said:
The same viability problems exist for the new Surface 3 - $499 is way to expensive for any business to eve consider it.
Is the Surface 3 using windows with bing? I though it was windows 8.1 Full version.
I honestly think the HP Pro x2 612 is a better deal than the Surface Pro 3. Comes with a real keyboard dock that works exactly like a laptop and has an extra battery in it. As well as lots more ports than the Surface pro 3. A business grade docking connector so you can connect everything including 2-3 monitors. And has windows 8.1 Pro.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
The same viability problems exist for the new Surface 3 - $499 is way to expensive for any business to eve consider it.
Is the Surface 3 using windows with bing? I though it was windows 8.1 Full version.
I honestly think the HP Pro x2 612 is a better deal than the Surface Pro 3. Comes with a real keyboard dock that works exactly like a laptop and has an extra battery in it. As well as lots more ports than the Surface pro 3. A business grade docking connector so you can connect everything including 2-3 monitors. And has windows 8.1 Pro.
What's the price difference?
From what I read a long time ago... MS creating the SP3 ( heck the whole SP line in general) was to show manufactures what COULD be done.. to get off their lazy asses and make cool hardware like Apple was doing!
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@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
The same viability problems exist for the new Surface 3 - $499 is way to expensive for any business to eve consider it.
Is the Surface 3 using windows with bing? I though it was windows 8.1 Full version.
I honestly think the HP Pro x2 612 is a better deal than the Surface Pro 3. Comes with a real keyboard dock that works exactly like a laptop and has an extra battery in it. As well as lots more ports than the Surface pro 3. A business grade docking connector so you can connect everything including 2-3 monitors. And has windows 8.1 Pro.
What's the price difference?
From what I read a long time ago... MS creating the SP3 ( heck the whole SP line in general) was to show manufactures what COULD be done.. to get off their lazy asses and make cool hardware like Apple was doing!
MSRP is $1,300 I believe but they can be had for $800-$1,000 I think. The dual batteries and dock are great.. and the pen for writing actually goes inside the tablet unlike the SP3.
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/detachables-biz/pro_x2_612.html
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
The same viability problems exist for the new Surface 3 - $499 is way to expensive for any business to eve consider it.
Is the Surface 3 using windows with bing? I though it was windows 8.1 Full version.
I honestly think the HP Pro x2 612 is a better deal than the Surface Pro 3. Comes with a real keyboard dock that works exactly like a laptop and has an extra battery in it. As well as lots more ports than the Surface pro 3. A business grade docking connector so you can connect everything including 2-3 monitors. And has windows 8.1 Pro.
What's the price difference?
From what I read a long time ago... MS creating the SP3 ( heck the whole SP line in general) was to show manufactures what COULD be done.. to get off their lazy asses and make cool hardware like Apple was doing!
MSRP is $1,300 I believe but they can be had for $800-$1,000 I think. The dual batteries and dock are great.. and the pen for writing actually goes inside the tablet unlike the SP3.
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/detachables-biz/pro_x2_612.html
Versus $1150 for the SP3 pro - the HP is heavier, but that might be OK.. it's definitely not a portable (the HP that is), but that might not matter as the extras might make it really worth while.
The problem I have with all of tablets or convertibles, etc, there are few apps that take advantage of Windows as a tablet. For example, Electronic Health Records systems rarely work well for real charting because of the amount of data input required. This requires either a damned good voice rec program (sorry Dragon still sucks) or a keyboard. Not to mention that the docs I talk to hate scrolling all the time, though I don't recall them bitching about having to flip dozens of pages in an old paper chart to look at things.
But they do have to click/type/other input a crap load... now.. of course this is mostly because they've been told by the good ol' uncle sam that they since they can provide more information in a data centric way.. they they must provide that data.. and they hate that.. they never cared about things that were not specific to them before.. but now they have to track ----whoo wait a min.. wrong post..
back to the SP series... I really want to love this device.. and the little I've used one. .it's pretty awesome.. but what would I ever do with it that I wouldn't be just as happy with my Yoga 2 Pro 13" convertible laptop? The answer is, only if I have to do data input while walking would I rather have the SP3, otherwise the lapability of the Yoga 2 Pro is infinitely better.
I do have to admit that the SP3 has a batter that lasts 30% longer than my Yoga 2 Pro (but that's comparing an i7 Yoga to a i5 SP3).
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
The same viability problems exist for the new Surface 3 - $499 is way to expensive for any business to eve consider it.
Is the Surface 3 using windows with bing? I though it was windows 8.1 Full version.
I honestly think the HP Pro x2 612 is a better deal than the Surface Pro 3. Comes with a real keyboard dock that works exactly like a laptop and has an extra battery in it. As well as lots more ports than the Surface pro 3. A business grade docking connector so you can connect everything including 2-3 monitors. And has windows 8.1 Pro.
What's the price difference?
From what I read a long time ago... MS creating the SP3 ( heck the whole SP line in general) was to show manufactures what COULD be done.. to get off their lazy asses and make cool hardware like Apple was doing!
MSRP is $1,300 I believe but they can be had for $800-$1,000 I think. The dual batteries and dock are great.. and the pen for writing actually goes inside the tablet unlike the SP3.
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/detachables-biz/pro_x2_612.html
I have an Elitepad from HP and it's awesome. Only real downside is the Atom vs the i5 in the Surface Pro.
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By the time you start getting up into the devices costing between $800 and $1300, You could purchase really nice laptops... I just bought a 17" Laptop 2/16GB of RAM and a NVIDIA something or another with 4GB of RAM.... And it came out to be $1350. It's a gaming laptop, and the battery life sucks (only an hour or two), but I could replace any desktop around me with it.
Do you really want to be paying that kind of premium for portability? (I can't say anything -- I just upgraded my phone from a Note 3 to a Note 4, lol.).
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I love the portability of the Surface Pro3 but the whole can't use it on my lap drives me nuts. I did just find a case that makes that doable for it though (a cost of $50).
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@Minion-Queen said:
I love the portability of the Surface Pro3 but the whole can't use it on my lap drives me nuts. I did just find a case that makes that doable for it though (a cost of $50).
Everything to make Microsoft's latest stuff requites something to make it just that little bit better. SP3 Needs another case $50, Xbox needs a subscription $12 per month and then the services on it are also extra, CALs... Always need to buy something in addition to the product that you want.
Super frustrating.
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@nadnerB said:
@Minion-Queen said:
I love the portability of the Surface Pro3 but the whole can't use it on my lap drives me nuts. I did just find a case that makes that doable for it though (a cost of $50).
Everything to make Microsoft's latest stuff requites something to make it just that little bit better. SP3 Needs another case $50, Xbox needs a subscription $12 per month and then the services on it are also extra, CALs... Always need to buy something in addition to the product that you want.
Super frustrating.
Yes it is. To be fair I got the Surface for free so I have a total of $50 invested in it. But jeeze. Honestly my MacBook is easier for travel and having to work on my lap. For weight well the Surface is better and has better battery life, but only just.
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@nadnerB said:
@Minion-Queen said:
I love the portability of the Surface Pro3 but the whole can't use it on my lap drives me nuts. I did just find a case that makes that doable for it though (a cost of $50).
Everything to make Microsoft's latest stuff requites something to make it just that little bit better. SP3 Needs another case $50, Xbox needs a subscription $12 per month and then the services on it are also extra, CALs... Always need to buy something in addition to the product that you want.
Super frustrating.
Everything is that way. If you want to use the iPad for real data entry you need to buy a keyboard.
As for the new Xbox needing a subscription - you knew that going in. I wouldn't say it's the same as the problem with the SP3.
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@Dashrender> Everything is that way. If you want to use the iPad for real data entry you need to buy a keyboard.
As for the new Xbox needing a subscription - you knew that going in. I wouldn't say it's the same as the problem with the SP3.
Yes and of course I have the keyboard for the ipad... accessories get a bit out of control for this stuff
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Fixed an issue for @Minion-Queen this morning. Being productive.
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@dafyre said:
By the time you start getting up into the devices costing between $800 and $1300, You could purchase really nice laptops... I just bought a 17" Laptop 2/16GB of RAM and a NVIDIA something or another with 4GB of RAM.... And it came out to be $1350. It's a gaming laptop, and the battery life sucks (only an hour or two), but I could replace any desktop around me with it.
Do you really want to be paying that kind of premium for portability? (I can't say anything -- I just upgraded my phone from a Note 3 to a Note 4, lol.).
I hear ya! The thought of dropping $1000 for a 'tablet' just hurts my mind. But I think that has more to do with the mental gap I still need to overcome that a Windows tablet (at least the larger ones) ARE laptops, just with no attached keyboard.
The bigger issue for me is I just don't have a use case for it. I don't own an iPad. I do own an ancient Asus Transformer Prime Android tablet but really it was a waste of money for me because I rarely used it (ultimately only used it to read a few books). I don't play games on the droid tablet, I don't watch movies on it, etc, etc... I just never found myself reaching for it.
When I want to use my electronic device it's either my laptop (lapability) or my phone. When I'm blogging, chatting, etc, the laptop sized keyboard is a requirement for me. When I only need to look at a few things, short replies.. the phone is great.
On to phones - Damn they are expensive. I really can't understand what makes an iPhone or Note 4 cost nearly $900 when I can get a SP3 for about the same with a screen that is 5 times larger and a much larger battery. While I do do it, I am personally irked with myself every time because of this disparity.
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@Dashrender said:
On to phones - Damn they are expensive. I really can't understand what makes an iPhone or Note 4 cost nearly $900 when I can get a SP3 for about the same with a screen that is 5 times larger and a much larger battery. While I do do it, I am personally irked with myself every time because of this disparity.
That makes two of us. Because we know that by next week our $device will be obsolete... I usually try to buy top of the line so that I don't have to upgrade my device for a couple of years... but that Note 3 was a wash.
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Waiting / watching software install..
Waiting / watching the new Heat pump being installed. Already thinking about lunch.... Hmmmm.... lunch.
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@g.jacobse Bacon!
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@dafyre said:
@g.jacobse Bacon!
Yup... Bacon wrapped bacon, smoked bacon on peppered Canadian Bacon.. and Bacon chips on the side.
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@Dashrender said:
Everything is that way. If you want to use the iPad for real data entry you need to buy a keyboard.
Yeah but the iPad isn't marketed as being for that. It's a tablet and just a tablet. To use it the way it is primarily intended, marketed and spoken about all you need is the iPad and a normal case. I have many iPads and don't use keyboards or any add ons. The SP is all about attempting to be a laptop which to make it even a poor laptop requires buying extra stuff.
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@Dashrender said:
On to phones - Damn they are expensive. I really can't understand what makes an iPhone or Note 4 cost nearly $900 when I can get a SP3 for about the same with a screen that is 5 times larger and a much larger battery.
Larger is cheaper. It's easier to make things bigger than smaller.
