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@coliver VMware vmotion works a little better if you do it a lot. I think most places I've had about 10 vmhosts. That's about it. I like hyper-v better for the most part.

Dashrender

What is driving the switch from VMWare to Hyper-V?

Are you also buying the MS management stuff for Hyper-V or just using it stand alone (aka completely free?)

scottalanmiller

@coliver said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

VMware is fully replaced with Hyper-v. I don't think I'm going to miss it.

I've managed a ESXi infrastructure before, and currently manage a Hyper-V infrastructure, both were/are in the SMB range, 1-2 hosts 15-20 servers... but overall I haven't really found anything from ESXi that is lacking on Hyper-V. Still prefer XenServer when I get a chance though.

That's mostly what I am finding now. NTG is in the process of going away from VMware and going to only HyperV and XenServer.

scottalanmiller

@thecreativeone91 said:

@coliver VMware vmotion works a little better if you do it a lot. I think most places I've had about 10 vmhosts. That's about it. I like hyper-v better for the most part.

I've had VMware vMotion bring down a giant bank because it was unstable. Not a big fan.

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said:

What is driving the switch from VMWare to Hyper-V?

Cost. HyperV gives you full HA, shared storage (via StarWind) and backup API all completely for free. That's huge. What's the upside to VMware with the latest rounds of HyperV and XS?

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said:

Are you also buying the MS management stuff for Hyper-V or just using it stand alone (aka completely free?)

Or using free third party tools?

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Are you also buying the MS management stuff for Hyper-V or just using it stand alone (aka completely free?)

Or using free third party tools?

You can manage with RSAT remotely if domain joined.. But, if you have any windows server license you can install server with a GUI as well and install only the hyper-v role and you still get all your VOSE instances as long as no other roles are on the host. So far standard that's 2 VMs. And for datacenter unlimited. If you install other roles on the host (which isn't really the host its a virtualized system) you lose one VOSE right on standard.

scottalanmiller

@thecreativeone91 said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Are you also buying the MS management stuff for Hyper-V or just using it stand alone (aka completely free?)

Or using free third party tools?

You can manage with RSAT remotely if domain joined.. But, if you have any windows server license you can install server with a GUI as well and install only the hyper-v role and you still get all your VOSE instances as long as no other roles are on the host. So far standard that's 2 VMs. And for datacenter unlimited. If you install other roles on the host (which isn't really the host its a virtualized system) you lose one VOSE right on standard.

Yup, lots of options.

Dashrender

@thecreativeone91 said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Are you also buying the MS management stuff for Hyper-V or just using it stand alone (aka completely free?)

Or using free third party tools?

You can manage with RSAT remotely if domain joined.. But, if you have any windows server license you can install server with a GUI as well and install only the hyper-v role and you still get all your VOSE instances as long as no other roles are on the host. So far standard that's 2 VMs. And for datacenter unlimited. If you install other roles on the host (which isn't really the host its a virtualized system) you lose one VOSE right on standard.

Thanks, I recall this from previous threads. I was wondering more if the MS VM tools were really needed? or if things like RSAT and RDS were what most SMBs were using?

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Are you also buying the MS management stuff for Hyper-V or just using it stand alone (aka completely free?)

Or using free third party tools?

You can manage with RSAT remotely if domain joined.. But, if you have any windows server license you can install server with a GUI as well and install only the hyper-v role and you still get all your VOSE instances as long as no other roles are on the host. So far standard that's 2 VMs. And for datacenter unlimited. If you install other roles on the host (which isn't really the host its a virtualized system) you lose one VOSE right on standard.

Thanks, I recall this from previous threads. I was wondering more if the MS VM tools were really needed? or if things like RSAT and RDS were what most SMBs were using?

sadly a lot of SMB using RDS. Makes me cringe.

You can use powershell for it too. Good luck remembering the commands though. I think they should've outsource some to Cisco or something to make commands people can remember.

coliver

@Dashrender said:

What is driving the switch from VMWare to Hyper-V?

Are you also buying the MS management stuff for Hyper-V or just using it stand alone (aka completely free?)

Price/feature. ESXi doesn't offer much on top of Hyper-V even when you look at Essentials.

I've tried SCVMM, I didn't have much a use for it outside of the reporting/monitoring functionality. Most of which can be found in other free products now.

coliver

@thecreativeone91 said:

You can use powershell for it too. Good luck remembering the commands though. I think they should've outsource some to Cisco or something to make commands people can remember.

Powershell command are hard to remember? Tab completion and their verb-string thing is fairly simple.

@coliver said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

You can use powershell for it too. Good luck remembering the commands though. I think they should've outsource some to Cisco or something to make commands people can remember.

Powershell command are hard to remember? Tab completion and their verb-string thing is fairly simple.

Normal Powershell isn't too bad. Hyper-v is. Have fun remember all this when the network is down and you have to do something fast in hyper-v to get everything working. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh848559.aspx

handsofqwerty

On hold with Megapath.

scottalanmiller

Shut down our Vultr stuff. All done with them now. Learned our lesson about trying out just any cloud providers.

dafyre

I am currently managing a single Hyper-V Server for VDI (we have the second one, just haven't built it yet)... I'm not really seeing any major differences in how Hyper-V works and VMware works... I know the underpinning is totally different... but in functionality... I think they on-par.

dafyre

@scottalanmiller You never learn anything if you don't try, lol... Sadly, it is often better to learn from other people's mistakes.

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Are you also buying the MS management stuff for Hyper-V or just using it stand alone (aka completely free?)

Or using free third party tools?

You can manage with RSAT remotely if domain joined.. But, if you have any windows server license you can install server with a GUI as well and install only the hyper-v role and you still get all your VOSE instances as long as no other roles are on the host. So far standard that's 2 VMs. And for datacenter unlimited. If you install other roles on the host (which isn't really the host its a virtualized system) you lose one VOSE right on standard.

Thanks, I recall this from previous threads. I was wondering more if the MS VM tools were really needed? or if things like RSAT and RDS were what most SMBs were using?

sadly a lot of SMB using RDS. Makes me cringe.

in the SMB space what would you prefer?

nadnerB

Finished Mass Effect tonight.
Download and start Mess Effect 2 tomorrow night