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Would having the understanding of QoS concepts and having the skills to configure it be something that you'd expect a generalist to have? Or would that knowledge and skill be expected for a network specialist and a bonus for a generalist?
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
All I shared was:
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11896/qos-for-voip-is-not-the-big-deal-the-vendors-want-you-to-think
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11895/why-vlans-do-not-provide-effective-qos-for-voipWhere did you share them?
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@EddieJennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Would having the understanding of QoS concepts and having the skills to configure it be something that you'd expect a generalist to have? Or would that knowledge and skill be expected for a network specialist and a bonus for a generalist?
Yes, that's very basic networking knowledge expected for something like the Network+
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QoS knowledge was, in the 1990s, considered so basic that you had to do a test on it that gave you zero credit in the MS cert world, other than allowing you to then go on to other certs. Today, you get a Net+ for that same work. The bar has lowered a bit. But that it is entry level "universal" knowledge that you should expect from everyone hasn't changed. Even helpdesk people, while maybe not confident that they know the answers, should know what QoS does any why and when it would be useful.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
All I shared was:
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11896/qos-for-voip-is-not-the-big-deal-the-vendors-want-you-to-think
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11895/why-vlans-do-not-provide-effective-qos-for-voipWhere did you share them?
With my boss by email and that was his response, by email.
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
All I shared was:
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11896/qos-for-voip-is-not-the-big-deal-the-vendors-want-you-to-think
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11895/why-vlans-do-not-provide-effective-qos-for-voipWhere did you share them?
With my boss by email and that was his response, by email.
Oh, ha ha. He thinks that the LAN is saturated? Or he thinks that your outbound WAN is saturated?
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
All I shared was:
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11896/qos-for-voip-is-not-the-big-deal-the-vendors-want-you-to-think
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11895/why-vlans-do-not-provide-effective-qos-for-voipWhere did you share them?
With my boss by email and that was his response, by email.
Oh, ha ha. He thinks that the LAN is saturated? Or he thinks that your outbound WAN is saturated?
He thinks that the LAN is saturated.
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
All I shared was:
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11896/qos-for-voip-is-not-the-big-deal-the-vendors-want-you-to-think
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11895/why-vlans-do-not-provide-effective-qos-for-voipWhere did you share them?
With my boss by email and that was his response, by email.
Oh, ha ha. He thinks that the LAN is saturated? Or he thinks that your outbound WAN is saturated?
He thinks that the LAN is saturated.
How the heck is that happening and why hasn't it been fixed? He actually thinks that your switching backplanes are beyond capacity but hasn't addressed it? How does anyone work?
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Part of the point of at least one of the articles was that instead of bandaiding LAN saturation with QoS, you should fix the LAN.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
All I shared was:
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11896/qos-for-voip-is-not-the-big-deal-the-vendors-want-you-to-think
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11895/why-vlans-do-not-provide-effective-qos-for-voipWhere did you share them?
With my boss by email and that was his response, by email.
Oh, ha ha. He thinks that the LAN is saturated? Or he thinks that your outbound WAN is saturated?
He thinks that the LAN is saturated.
How the heck is that happening and why hasn't it been fixed? He actually thinks that your switching backplanes are beyond capacity but hasn't addressed it? How does anyone work?
We have added switches because the switches that were put in when I showed up were not performing what we needed and were difficult to administer. We since then upgraded to newer and faster switches and network performance has improved. However, he still insists on VLANing EVERYTHING!!
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
All I shared was:
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11896/qos-for-voip-is-not-the-big-deal-the-vendors-want-you-to-think
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11895/why-vlans-do-not-provide-effective-qos-for-voipWhere did you share them?
With my boss by email and that was his response, by email.
Oh, ha ha. He thinks that the LAN is saturated? Or he thinks that your outbound WAN is saturated?
He thinks that the LAN is saturated.
How the heck is that happening and why hasn't it been fixed? He actually thinks that your switching backplanes are beyond capacity but hasn't addressed it? How does anyone work?
We have added switches because the switches that were put in when I showed up were not performing what we needed and were difficult to administer. We since then upgraded to newer and faster switches and network performance has improved. However, he still insists on VLANing EVERYTHING!!
Well the VLANs might explain the saturation. They cause that.
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Hence the "fix your network, don't hide the problems" mantra.
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Grilling some chicken and beef to have fiesta dinner with family and friends.
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Was going to bake some tilapia but decided that I wanted some sushi. Real sushi, not sashimi. I don't really do fish sushi, but I like vegetable sushi.
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Trying to get to some writing that I've had on my desk all day.
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
All I shared was:
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11896/qos-for-voip-is-not-the-big-deal-the-vendors-want-you-to-think
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11895/why-vlans-do-not-provide-effective-qos-for-voipWhere did you share them?
With my boss by email and that was his response, by email.
Oh, ha ha. He thinks that the LAN is saturated? Or he thinks that your outbound WAN is saturated?
He thinks that the LAN is saturated.
How the heck is that happening and why hasn't it been fixed? He actually thinks that your switching backplanes are beyond capacity but hasn't addressed it? How does anyone work?
We have added switches because the switches that were put in when I showed up were not performing what we needed and were difficult to administer. We since then upgraded to newer and faster switches and network performance has improved. However, he still insists on VLANing EVERYTHING!!
He can VLAN all he wants. But that does not change the fact that QoS on and entire VLAN is not correctly prioritizing the voice traffic.
It is prioritizing all of the traffic on the VLAN. Which includes the broadcast traffic and dns and dhcp and sip as well as the rtp that actually carries the voice traffic.
It is a misconfiguration based on stated intent.
You boss is wrong. Feel free to send this to him.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
All I shared was:
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11896/qos-for-voip-is-not-the-big-deal-the-vendors-want-you-to-think
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11895/why-vlans-do-not-provide-effective-qos-for-voipWhere did you share them?
With my boss by email and that was his response, by email.
Oh, ha ha. He thinks that the LAN is saturated? Or he thinks that your outbound WAN is saturated?
He thinks that the LAN is saturated.
How the heck is that happening and why hasn't it been fixed? He actually thinks that your switching backplanes are beyond capacity but hasn't addressed it? How does anyone work?
We have added switches because the switches that were put in when I showed up were not performing what we needed and were difficult to administer. We since then upgraded to newer and faster switches and network performance has improved. However, he still insists on VLANing EVERYTHING!!
He can VLAN all he wants. But that does not change the fact that QoS on and entire VLAN is not correctly prioritizing the voisce traffic.
It is prioritizing all of the traffic on the VLAN. Which includes the broadcast traffic and dns and dhcp and sip as well as the rtp that actually carries the voice traffic.
It is a misconfiguration based on stated intent.
You boss is wrong. Feel free to send this to him.
Can't. Upvote. Enough.
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Just caught up on SW for the day, one of the fastest catchups I've ever had after a day offline. It's as if no one was there. And quite a few posts that I stumbled on had zero replies after being up most of the day.
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@NerdyDad How many phone calls are active when this happens?
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@momurda said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad How many phone calls are active when this happens?
And is the audio an issue bidirectionally or just in one direction? Is there QoS on the WAN?
