What Are You Doing Right Now
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@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Waiting for the person to get here and fix our phone system.
Run away from any Samsung iDCS-100 you see! We lost power for long enough to cause everything to shut down over the weekend, the phone system of course doesn't deal well with sudden power loss. The UPS will keep it running for ~3 hours, but it looks like it was out for ~6 hours over the weekend
It's FreePBX time!
Oh how I wish. Last time we tested SIP/VOIP it was absolutely horrible
Edit: Yes, our internet connection is that bad, at both physical locations.
You don't have to use SIP trunks to the CO, you can use TDM with convertors.
I don't know when it'll happen, but it will happen one of these days.
Best would be today.
We've been over it (me and the owners), maybe this surprise bill will convince them? Not holding my breath.
They actually looked into it and decided to retain the risk and cost of the old system without benefits? What logic did they present for that decision?
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Waiting for the person to get here and fix our phone system.
Run away from any Samsung iDCS-100 you see! We lost power for long enough to cause everything to shut down over the weekend, the phone system of course doesn't deal well with sudden power loss. The UPS will keep it running for ~3 hours, but it looks like it was out for ~6 hours over the weekend
It's FreePBX time!
Oh how I wish. Last time we tested SIP/VOIP it was absolutely horrible
Edit: Yes, our internet connection is that bad, at both physical locations.
You don't have to use SIP trunks to the CO, you can use TDM with convertors.
I don't know when it'll happen, but it will happen one of these days.
Best would be today.
We've been over it (me and the owners), maybe this surprise bill will convince them? Not holding my breath.
They actually looked into it and decided to retain the risk and cost of the old system without benefits? What logic did they present for that decision?
Convoluted of course.
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In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
You don't have computers in those locations already? How often do you have a phone without a computer?
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@scottalanmiller I was thinking the same thing, why not just share the existing drop for the computer with the phone.
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I mean, you would cut the digital lines, but at the panel...
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
You don't have computers in those locations already? How often do you have a phone without a computer?
In my case around 10%.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
You don't have computers in those locations already? How often do you have a phone without a computer?
In my case around 10%.
So why wouldn't you just a CAT5e or CAT6 to those locations, unless you are hard pressed to keep an analog line for fire / security / emergency reasons..
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
You don't have computers in those locations already? How often do you have a phone without a computer?
In my case around 10%.
So why wouldn't you just a CAT5e or CAT6 to those locations, unless you are hard pressed to keep an analog line for fire / security / emergency reasons..
You can always use and ATA and keep a POTS phone in those locations.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
You don't have computers in those locations already? How often do you have a phone without a computer?
In my case around 10%.
So why wouldn't you just a CAT5e or CAT6 to those locations, unless you are hard pressed to keep an analog line for fire / security / emergency reasons..
You can always use and ATA and keep a POTS phone in those locations.
Dang it... I mean "So why wouldn't you just pull a"
But yea
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
You don't have computers in those locations already? How often do you have a phone without a computer?
In my case around 10%.
So why wouldn't you just a CAT5e or CAT6 to those locations, unless you are hard pressed to keep an analog line for fire / security / emergency reasons..
Did I miss something? Yes those are the ONLY ones I'd rip and replace. No point in replacing lines where there is ethernet nearby.
As for where are these that have no computer - phones that just hang on the wall. We have around 15 of them. Top that off with the fact that we migrated 90% of our users to laptops. If this hadn't been a remodel several years ago, we'd probably have no cabling in most places except what was needed for phones (though the wise thing back then would have been to install CAT5 or better - but not my project and am never asked).
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Can you pull CAT5 with the existing CAT3? Often you can do that pretty easily.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
You don't have computers in those locations already? How often do you have a phone without a computer?
In my case around 10%.
So why wouldn't you just a CAT5e or CAT6 to those locations, unless you are hard pressed to keep an analog line for fire / security / emergency reasons..
Did I miss something? Yes those are the ONLY ones I'd rip and replace. No point in replacing lines where there is ethernet nearby.
As for where are these that have no computer - phones that just hang on the wall. We have around 15 of them. Top that off with the fact that we migrated 90% of our users to laptops. If this hadn't been a remodel several years ago, we'd probably have no cabling in most places except what was needed for phones (though the wise thing back then would have been to install CAT5 or better - but not my project and am never asked).
My question is why not just have a cord pulled to that 10%. Running CAT5e isn't that expensive. You've said 15 spots, so you'd need maybe 20 additional drops.
What is the cost of getting those pulled, rather than trying to add hardware to convert the signal?
Where I'm at now, if I ever need a cable run it's $150/per.
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Also make sure they put in a pull string behind any new lines and leave them in the roof space.
This way if you ever need another line in the general area, you can just tie onto the pull string, and go.
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Running them isn't difficult either. You can run the cables, or do what i did which is to make friends with your building maintenance and ask them for help.
300+ runs and counting.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Can you pull CAT5 with the existing CAT3? Often you can do that pretty easily.
This. You just tie the cat5 to the end of the cat3 and as you remove it you also pulling in a new cable. Half the work. EX girlfriends dad taught me that when I was younger (he was an electrician)
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Can you pull CAT5 with the existing CAT3? Often you can do that pretty easily.
This. You just tie the cat5 to the end of the cat3 and as you remove it you also pulling in a new cable. Half the work. EX girlfriends dad taught me that when I was younger (he was an electrician)
yea I always tie the old drop to the new drop, makes it so much easier (unless they stapled them to the studs - mostly residential issues - special place in hell for those "helpful" people). If you cant pull through that way, get some string and tie it top and bottom. Make sure the string is 110-120% the length of the drop so that you have wiggle room and you now have an easy way to replace cables. I dont do this for cat drops, but when im running usb extensions inside of walls for touchscreen wall mounts, this is the way to go.
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@Brains said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Can you pull CAT5 with the existing CAT3? Often you can do that pretty easily.
This. You just tie the cat5 to the end of the cat3 and as you remove it you also pulling in a new cable. Half the work. EX girlfriends dad taught me that when I was younger (he was an electrician)
yea I always tie the old drop to the new drop, makes it so much easier (unless they stapled them to the studs - mostly residential issues - special place in hell for those "helpful" people). If you cant pull through that way, get some string and tie it top and bottom. Make sure the string is 110-120% the length of the drop so that you have wiggle room.
I've always wondered if anyone has rigged up some PVC piping in a clever way to make cable drops easier or something akin to it. Obviously when there is no sheetrock. I was thinking something you can adjust from outside of the wall to guide the cabling. Would be an interesting project but definitely not cost effective ^_^
