What Are You Doing Right Now
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Okay Mangophiles, I'm calling it a night.
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I don't think I can go on SW any more. I don't want to be a jerk, but it's like people over there are getting a prize for being completely ignorant to how things should work.
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@johnhooks said:
I don't think I can go on SW any more. I don't want to be a jerk, but it's like people over there are getting a prize for being completely ignorant to how things should work.
Yeah. The problem is the sheer number of people that are entry level IT folks...or in marketing (no offense meant to honest marketers anywhere) I saw somewhere on here (ML) today that somebody thought it was 80% newbies and 20% IT pros... and I think that's about right.
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@johnhooks said:
I don't think I can go on SW any more. I don't want to be a jerk, but it's like people over there are getting a prize for being completely ignorant to how things should work.
Nearly every newbie is completely unaware of other conversations going on currently, too. So many of the posts that I see are completely opposite of any best practices and when you mention that they act shocked as if they had never heard of such a thing... when ten other threads and thousands of previous ones are talking about what a dumb idea that would be right at the same time. Everyone seems to just throw their opinion over the wall and run away, no back and forth, no learning.
The issue is that the community isn't getting collectively smarter over time, but less informed. The more threads, the more references, the more examples that we get... the more incredibly solidified the best practices the less anyone seems to be aware of them. Years and years of "Why SAN doesn't make sense in the SMB" or "Why RAID 5 Died in 2009" (that was first published in 2007, that's a decade of knowledge at this point and as Robin pointed out in the article, it was old knowledge that he was presenting and nothing that storage people weren't all already aware of at that point) and people don't just make the mistakes then ask about it, but people who have been in the community for a while will post those things as reckless recommendations and then act as if they've never heard any reason why they don't make sense.
Every thread about SAN someone says this exact line "How do you do HA without a SAN" yet have no idea how they were going to do one with a SAN. Every. Damn. Time. Happened just twelve hours ago, like clockwork.
The community is failing to improve. A few people do, of course, but most of those improve and then come here. The percentage of people providing good feedback is decreasing while the number of "I didn't bother to do any research first including just paying attention or looking at threads that are related to me needs as they happen."
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@dafyre said:
@johnhooks said:
I don't think I can go on SW any more. I don't want to be a jerk, but it's like people over there are getting a prize for being completely ignorant to how things should work.
Yeah. The problem is the sheer number of people that are entry level IT folks...or in marketing (no offense meant to honest marketers anywhere) I saw somewhere on here (ML) today that somebody thought it was 80% newbies and 20% IT pros... and I think that's about right.
If you look on SW, the percentage of threads that are advertising threads is crazy, and mostly created by SW staff rather than by the vendors themselves.
In any given night looking at threads to respond to, like half can be ignored immediately because they are either Chinese spammers (they have been spamming the community like mad for a year or more now and no one has figured out how to stop it) or in house marketing blitz. Not stuff from technical people.
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Good morning, everyone.
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Morning, I'm having trouble to engage the brain this morning. Best stay away from the Server room lol.
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Bright and sunny day here, gorgeous. Across the street is scores of kids playing futbol and my girls are baking cookies getting ready for a picnic up the hill in the orchard.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@johnhooks said:
I don't think I can go on SW any more. I don't want to be a jerk, but it's like people over there are getting a prize for being completely ignorant to how things should work.
Nearly every newbie is completely unaware of other conversations going on currently, too. So many of the posts that I see are completely opposite of any best practices and when you mention that they act shocked as if they had never heard of such a thing... when ten other threads and thousands of previous ones are talking about what a dumb idea that would be right at the same time. Everyone seems to just throw their opinion over the wall and run away, no back and forth, no learning.
The issue is that the community isn't getting collectively smarter over time, but less informed. The more threads, the more references, the more examples that we get... the more incredibly solidified the best practices the less anyone seems to be aware of them. Years and years of "Why SAN doesn't make sense in the SMB" or "Why RAID 5 Died in 2009" (that was first published in 2007, that's a decade of knowledge at this point and as Robin pointed out in the article, it was old knowledge that he was presenting and nothing that storage people weren't all already aware of at that point) and people don't just make the mistakes then ask about it, but people who have been in the community for a while will post those things as reckless recommendations and then act as if they've never heard any reason why they don't make sense.
Every thread about SAN someone says this exact line "How do you do HA without a SAN" yet have no idea how they were going to do one with a SAN. Every. Damn. Time. Happened just twelve hours ago, like clockwork.
The community is failing to improve. A few people do, of course, but most of those improve and then come here. The percentage of people providing good feedback is decreasing while the number of "I didn't bother to do any research first including just paying attention or looking at threads that are related to me needs as they happen."
That whole virtual or not post is ridiculous. "I do 6 writes per minute to my database so it has to be physical. It takes 4 GB of RAM."
it wouldn't be bad if they listened to reason. Not knowing something isn't a problem (if you're new). But not listening when other people try to help is ridiculous.
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LOL, yeah, the scale that people think is big is nuts. I'm used to databases with pure SSDs, and 2TB of RAM and trillions of daily writes alone and that's virtual! And that was years ago. Nearly every post in SW is like "What year is it?" People are actually asking these questions today as if it was 2005 when the question was legit.
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Just got out of bed...being sick sucks ass.
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And look, as soon as we have this discussion, someone wants to do RAID 5 and Windows Software RAID:
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1545528-install-windows-server-2012-r2-on-software-raid-5
Right on cue.
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@johnhooks said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@johnhooks said:
I don't think I can go on SW any more. I don't want to be a jerk, but it's like people over there are getting a prize for being completely ignorant to how things should work.
Nearly every newbie is completely unaware of other conversations going on currently, too. So many of the posts that I see are completely opposite of any best practices and when you mention that they act shocked as if they had never heard of such a thing... when ten other threads and thousands of previous ones are talking about what a dumb idea that would be right at the same time. Everyone seems to just throw their opinion over the wall and run away, no back and forth, no learning.
The issue is that the community isn't getting collectively smarter over time, but less informed. The more threads, the more references, the more examples that we get... the more incredibly solidified the best practices the less anyone seems to be aware of them. Years and years of "Why SAN doesn't make sense in the SMB" or "Why RAID 5 Died in 2009" (that was first published in 2007, that's a decade of knowledge at this point and as Robin pointed out in the article, it was old knowledge that he was presenting and nothing that storage people weren't all already aware of at that point) and people don't just make the mistakes then ask about it, but people who have been in the community for a while will post those things as reckless recommendations and then act as if they've never heard any reason why they don't make sense.
Every thread about SAN someone says this exact line "How do you do HA without a SAN" yet have no idea how they were going to do one with a SAN. Every. Damn. Time. Happened just twelve hours ago, like clockwork.
The community is failing to improve. A few people do, of course, but most of those improve and then come here. The percentage of people providing good feedback is decreasing while the number of "I didn't bother to do any research first including just paying attention or looking at threads that are related to me needs as they happen."
That whole virtual or not post is ridiculous. "I do 6 writes per minute to my database so it has to be physical. It takes 4 GB of RAM."
it wouldn't be bad if they listened to reason. Not knowing something isn't a problem (if you're new). But not listening when other people try to help us ridiculous.
Let me guess, they haven't stopped marketing their community as "The largest community of IT Pros around" yet? I think @scottalanmiller has already referenced this a number of times, it's now the IT buyers community, that's also half sales shenanigans.
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@scottalanmiller said:
And look, as soon as we have this discussion, someone wants to do RAID 5 and Windows Software RAID:
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1545528-install-windows-server-2012-r2-on-software-raid-5
Right on cue.
I think people get paid to ask "RAID 5 or not?" it seriously has to be at least one per day.
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Good morning everyone!
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@johnhooks said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And look, as soon as we have this discussion, someone wants to do RAID 5 and Windows Software RAID:
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1545528-install-windows-server-2012-r2-on-software-raid-5
Right on cue.
I think people get paid to ask "RAID 5 or not?" it seriously has to be at least one per day.
No kidding. It really comes at a pace that you just cannot fathom.
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My house has been descended upon by tween girls who have come to play with my kids and practice their English. Must be eight girls have been here for two hours and another crowd is forming in the yard. We are apparently THE house to be at around town. There are kids everywhere.
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Sad news back home...
http://geneseesun.com/truck-destroys-geneseos-bear-fountain/
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@scottalanmiller said:
Sad news back home...
http://geneseesun.com/truck-destroys-geneseos-bear-fountain/
I didn't even realize those streets were big enough for tractor trailers.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Sad news back home...
http://geneseesun.com/truck-destroys-geneseos-bear-fountain/
I didn't even realize those streets were big enough for tractor trailers.
Yeah, that's actually a wide main street.
