TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router
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@cteneyck said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@scottalanmiller is there a reason i have to do it via wizard?
No, but it's the difference between trivial and hard. And you have to be updated anyway or the unit might not even work. It's not ready to be plugged in yet. So why question it, just do it the easy way.
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@cteneyck said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
i just feel like im missing out on learning something if i just do a wizard instead of configuring the thing myself, you know?
Valid. But with that logic, why not do everything from the CLI (after patching?) I do that with our enterprise VyOS (very closely related to EdgeOS here) myself, all by hand. I don't even use the config commands, I literally just modify the config file!
So I get it, but I'd get it working before you start learning hard core config editing.
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@cteneyck said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@scottalanmiller is there a reason i have to do it via wizard?
because you obviously have no idea what you are doing. How do you expect to learn the right way if you do not even know what the right way looks like.
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@cteneyck said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
i just feel like im missing out on learning something if i just do a wizard instead of configuring the thing myself, you know?
Do you start configuring your very first Linux install with all the advanced setup options the very first time? Fucking no. You start by reading what is on the screen and clicking through all the default options to get a working install.
Then you tinker and then you reinstall and try more advanced things the second time.
You do not start in the damned middle.
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@scottalanmiller said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
And you have to be updated anyway or the unit might not even work.
This piece is completely untrue. there is absolutely nothing wrong with EdgeOS 1.2 from a basic routing point of view.
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@cteneyck said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
I feel like you guys are misunderstanding me, did you look at my screenshots to help get an understanding of my situation
Honestly, no I glanced at a bunch of horribly tiny FULL SCREEN screenshots and imediately filtered it out. If you want help, learn to use tools to help you show what you want us to see. I am not going to work at deciphering wtf you want.
@scottalanmiller for the record he is on 1.2.0, a default old stock ERL.
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@JaredBusch said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@cteneyck said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@scottalanmiller is there a reason i have to do it via wizard?
because you obviously have no idea what you are doing. How do you expect to learn the right way if you do not even know what the right way looks like.
The wizards are good for this, because you can then see how the wizard did it and you can then replicate it in the future.
I would recommend picking up an EdgeRouter X for $65 as well. Do your learning on a box that doesn't cut you offline and cause you to move into an emergency state. That will allow for a LOT more learning, too, as you can do router to router routing (how many times can I say route?)
But right now, Jared is right, you are not at the point where you are ready to be configuring a router an intentionally difficult way. That's a great idea to learn and practice, absolutely. But at this point, it's learning how to work with routers at a higher level. Patching, using the built in tools, etc. Get that working, learn the individual unit, then start tackling the hard stuff that 90% of Ubiquiti users will never see.
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@JaredBusch said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@scottalanmiller said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
And you have to be updated anyway or the unit might not even work.
This piece is completely untrue. there is absolutely nothing wrong with EdgeOS 1.2 from a basic routing point of view.
Is that true for every possible patch level between 1.2 and now, though? I'm not suggesting that "old is bad", only that there is always a risk with an old, unknown version that it's one that had to be patched for functionality reasons.
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@JaredBusch said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@scottalanmiller for the record he is on 1.2.0, a default old stock ERL.
Thanks, I could not find it in the screenshots. That's older than I expected. I was guessing more like 1.4. When did the wizards start, was that 1.5?
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@JaredBusch if you are going to be rude, please dont post in my thread. Your posts are coming off as aggressive and I am just trying to get some advice and learn a little.
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@scottalanmiller said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@JaredBusch said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@scottalanmiller for the record he is on 1.2.0, a default old stock ERL.
Thanks, I could not find it in the screenshots. That's older than I expected. I was guessing more like 1.4. When did the wizards start, was that 1.5?
The wizards were a feature of the 1.3.0 release on October 15, 2013.
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Updates-Blog/EdgeMax-software-release-v1-3-0/ba-p/591711
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@scottalanmiller SO are you saying i should return the one I have and get the edgerouter x?
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@cteneyck Hello there. As the Community Owner and Moderator I would like to give you a few pieces of advice.
- If you want help - then listen to the advice given
- The IT Pro's will get frustrated - when you don't listen
- Jared did give you advice even if a little harsh on how to give them proper information to help
We are all human and people do get frustrated from time to time. But we also take the road of being who we are. Sometimes it seems harsh, or overly sarcastic but all in all they just want to help you here.
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@scottalanmiller said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@JaredBusch said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@scottalanmiller said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
And you have to be updated anyway or the unit might not even work.
This piece is completely untrue. there is absolutely nothing wrong with EdgeOS 1.2 from a basic routing point of view.
Is that true for every possible patch level between 1.2 and now, though? I'm not suggesting that "old is bad", only that there is always a risk with an old, unknown version that it's one that had to be patched for functionality reasons.
Of course there were enhancements at ever turn. But the basic router stack in 1.2.0 was solid. That version was basically nothing more than the Vyatta fork and basic customization for the hardware.
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@cteneyck said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@scottalanmiller SO are you saying i should return the one I have and get the edgerouter x?
NO. Not at all. I'm saying that if you are going to be learning the level of router maintenance that you want to learn, you need a backup. Do your learning on a second device rather than on the one that cuts you off from the Internet while working on it. Just like if I'm going to learn how to install Windows, I don't want to do it on my only PC, I want to learn on a second one so that I can research and download tools and such while the install is going on.
I'm just saying that for $65 you could have a second, different, but nearly identical device and be able to comfortably learn command line and manual configuration changes without putting your own access at risk.
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@JaredBusch said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@scottalanmiller said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@JaredBusch said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@scottalanmiller for the record he is on 1.2.0, a default old stock ERL.
Thanks, I could not find it in the screenshots. That's older than I expected. I was guessing more like 1.4. When did the wizards start, was that 1.5?
The wizards were a feature of the 1.3.0 release on October 15, 2013.
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Updates-Blog/EdgeMax-software-release-v1-3-0/ba-p/591711
Ah, okay. Thanks.
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@scottalanmiller said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
I would recommend picking up an EdgeRouter X for $65 as well. Do your learning on a box that doesn't cut you offline and cause you to move into an emergency state.
WTF are you saying here? The ERL and the ERX are exactly the same in basic functionality. Nothing the ERL does is any different than the ERX from a basic point of view. Neither will cut off or not cut off any differently than they other.
They both come out of the box with 192.168.1.1 set on eth0 statically.
The only benefit to the ERX is that it has a switch chip built in. @cteneyck does not need that as he has a switch.
In fact the ERX does not have an accessible console port. So someone learning like this will likely need to use that feature that the ERL has sooner than not. I know I most certainly had to when I first start tinkering with the ERL.
Edit @scottalanmiller clarified what he meant by cut off in a followup post.
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@scottalanmiller oh okay. I understand. I will in the future, budget is currently tight. didnt have much of an option. I just moved to this place and had to get my own router so i just got a decent one and am trying to get it up
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@cteneyck said in TP SG108PE + Ubiquiti Edge Router:
@scottalanmiller oh okay. I understand. I will in the future, budget is currently tight. didnt have much of an option. I just moved to this place and had to get my own router so i just got a decent one and am trying to get it up
It's purely up to you, it's not a technical thing, just how to do router learning when you want to do advanced things and might need to go offline while doing it. Nothing scarier (to me) than the thing that you are working on being the thing that keeps you from getting additional help resources.
Getting the unit that you have working shouldn't be bad. While at work, get the latest update downloaded from UBNT and have it on a USB stick to deploy to the router when you get home.
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@scottalanmiller Will do. Ill let you know how it goes later. Ill try to find a wizard as well.
