Given how bad VMware is at managing VMware's own hypervisor, using something from them to manage other people's stuff seems... insane.

@dashrender said in Where are MSP managed on-prem workloads moving?:

@pete-s said in Where are MSP managed on-prem workloads moving?:

Thanks, it does makes sense to move to SaaS solutions for a single customer that is doing their own IT.

But a MSP is in a different position because they, besides know-how, have a larger scale. So it can make economic sense to host things for their customers that doesn't make sense for each individual customer.

For instance does it makes sense for a company to have a server to host their website on? No, it doesn't. But if you're an MSP and your customers have a thousand websites that needs to live somewhere, it might make sense for you to host them.

I guess it also depends if you're an MSP that just manages things or if you also have your own hosting/cloud infrastructure or use another provider for that.

All good points. I have no view into that world, the few ITSPs I know are using other companies solutions, not rolling their own, or even hosting their own. Though some of them, we'll take JB for example, do manage all the stuffs other than hypervisor and hardware for things like a Ubiquiti controller, and PBXs.

If you really do have need to host 1000's of websites (or really massive sites, it could make sense to manage the whole stack, but then again, it could be better to get services from someone like Vultr, or in extreme cases like Amazon/Azure.

It's possible that ITSP/MSPs in the SMB space in general don't own any infrastructure themselves.

I know large companies that fully outsource their workloads to service providers. Those service providers host the workloads primarily in their own datacenters but also on public cloud infrastructure. But these service providers are often large companies themselves so they have scale.

@Dashrender said in Compare Azure to Windows On Prem for Normal Business Workloads:

@Pete-S said in Compare Azure to Windows On Prem for Normal Business Workloads:

@scottalanmiller said in Compare Azure to Windows On Prem for Normal Business Workloads:

@Dashrender said in Compare Azure to Windows On Prem for Normal Business Workloads:

Hosting Costs
1U Colocation America, /24 IP Range
Monthly cost: ~$250/month
Yearly cost: 12 x 250 = $3000
5 year cost: 5 x $3000 = $15K

Last I looked, 1U was more like $225 with that many IPs. And I think typically you'd get fewer for a lot less cost and/or go IPv6. /24 is two IPs per VM. No need to pay for that.

Yes, the basic 1U was $100 with two power outlets and then you get four usable IPv4s.

A smaller server, say 16c EPYC, 128GB RAM, 2x500GB SSD, would be about $3500 and something even smaller, like a 8c Xeon @ 3.7Ghz, 64GB RAM, 2x500GB SSD around $2K.

So you could scale down everything substantially if you wanted. But if all you are doing is running a few very small workloads then a couple of $5 Vultr VM would be cheaper.

another factor is - are you running windows VMs, likely always cheaper to have your own hardware, but yeah, the amount of workloads definitely plays a factor here.

That's true, Windows workloads make cloud computing harder to justify. Not much, but a little.

To add to this- I have an error that started appearing after updating their Fedora 29 and 30 instances. Further testing found that the error appears in different regions using their server type template installers or even a custom iso option that I used with net install. All I have to do is deploy, run dnf update and reboot. The error is present in every boot after the update.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/19903/fedora-29-and-30-edac-skx-can-t-get-tolm-tohm-error-on-vultr

Thx for your help, you all.

I will check the possibilities!

Here's a decent video on building a small Java class to interface with it: https://youtu.be/Od1FgLlK-mA

Very interesting to know that there are many services in the cloud.

@jmoore said in Cloud Models - CompTIA A+ 220-1001 Prof Messer:

@mary said in Cloud Models - CompTIA A+ 220-1001 Prof Messer:

@scottalanmiller so cloud is a buzzword?

Oh yes I used to see commercials with a kid talking about the "Almighty Cloud". This was several years ago but not much has changed in the marketing.

It's absolutely used wrong all the time, but that doesn't make cloud a buzz work, cloud is a real specific thing, but almost no one uses it correctly.

This is what I think we would need, but I'm neither inclined to figure that out, nor do I want any additional equipment (VM or otherwise [MS recommends physical for this?!]) to do this. . .