Beelink PC issues
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@stacksofplates said in Beelink PC issues:
I've bought a couple of the micro form factor Optiplex computers (9020) and have been happy with them. You couldn't have saved too much by buying something like this I can't imagine? I think I paid $250 for the last one and it came with 8GB RAM, an i7, and a 250GB SSD.
This? Yeah, it does not compare, except price.
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@JaredBusch said in Beelink PC issues:
@stacksofplates said in Beelink PC issues:
I've bought a couple of the micro form factor Optiplex computers (9020) and have been happy with them. You couldn't have saved too much by buying something like this I can't imagine? I think I paid $250 for the last one and it came with 8GB RAM, an i7, and a 250GB SSD.
This? Yeah, it does not compare, except price.
Wow, that can't be worth $40 new, but $240 used? What the heck?
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@scottalanmiller said in Beelink PC issues:
@JaredBusch said in Beelink PC issues:
@stacksofplates said in Beelink PC issues:
I've bought a couple of the micro form factor Optiplex computers (9020) and have been happy with them. You couldn't have saved too much by buying something like this I can't imagine? I think I paid $250 for the last one and it came with 8GB RAM, an i7, and a 250GB SSD.
This? Yeah, it does not compare, except price.
Wow, that can't be worth $40 new, but $240 used? What the heck?
It should be worth $40 and my guess for the higher price is economics. It was built well and keep on chugging along. It seems they are continually in demand for a basic pc that needs just a web browser or to act as a kiosk.
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@pmoncho said in Beelink PC issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Beelink PC issues:
@JaredBusch said in Beelink PC issues:
@stacksofplates said in Beelink PC issues:
I've bought a couple of the micro form factor Optiplex computers (9020) and have been happy with them. You couldn't have saved too much by buying something like this I can't imagine? I think I paid $250 for the last one and it came with 8GB RAM, an i7, and a 250GB SSD.
This? Yeah, it does not compare, except price.
Wow, that can't be worth $40 new, but $240 used? What the heck?
It should be worth $40 and my guess for the higher price is economics. It was built well and keep on chugging along. It seems they are continually in demand for a basic pc that needs just a web browser or to act as a kiosk.
Yes, but you can get brand new with much more performance for that price. Why get something that is a decade old, AND used when new and new is possible? Much less flexible. And can that unit even run current Windows?
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@scottalanmiller said in Beelink PC issues:
@pmoncho said in Beelink PC issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Beelink PC issues:
@JaredBusch said in Beelink PC issues:
@stacksofplates said in Beelink PC issues:
I've bought a couple of the micro form factor Optiplex computers (9020) and have been happy with them. You couldn't have saved too much by buying something like this I can't imagine? I think I paid $250 for the last one and it came with 8GB RAM, an i7, and a 250GB SSD.
This? Yeah, it does not compare, except price.
Wow, that can't be worth $40 new, but $240 used? What the heck?
It should be worth $40 and my guess for the higher price is economics. It was built well and keep on chugging along. It seems they are continually in demand for a basic pc that needs just a web browser or to act as a kiosk.
Yes, but you can get brand new with much more performance for that price. Why get something that is a decade old, AND used when new and new is possible? Much less flexible. And can that unit even run current Windows?
Because it keeps chugging along and fulfilling the purpose it was intended. If @stacksofplates doesn't have to do anything to it for 2-3 years other than updates and/or deal with any issues @Dashrender is having, then it could be worth the money.
It seems, based on this thread, the issues @Dashrender is having with the more powerfull/lower cost Beelinks are becoming more expensive than if he just paid $550 for a Dell Optiplex 5070 micro. I cannot be sure as only @Dashrender knows the true cost and if the Beelink's are working out better.
I like products that fulfill the purpose and require less maintenance. If that is Beelink or a new $1200 OptiPlex 5090 micro, count me in.
I guess it comes down to the old axiom, "Price is what you pay, value is what you get!"
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@scottalanmiller said in Beelink PC issues:
@stacksofplates said in Beelink PC issues:
I've bought a couple of the micro form factor Optiplex computers (9020) and have been happy with them. You couldn't have saved too much by buying something like this I can't imagine? I think I paid $250 for the last one and it came with 8GB RAM, an i7, and a 250GB SSD.
The 9020 lists as running a Four Generation processor. That's eight generations old. That's dramatically old. Ten years, in fact. Those came out in early 2013.
Similar price for high end, brand new genuine AMD fro Beelink. The fact that it died sucks, so that's a real issue. But the two aren't comparable in performance.
Maybe you have the wrong Optiplex number of Dell has the wrong info on their spec sheet? That looks like a $20 computer to me....
I went back and looked. It wasn’t a 9020 it was a 7050 but the point was, you can buy from reputable brands for very cheap.
This is what I bought https://a.co/d/gYoGzVe
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@pmoncho said in Beelink PC issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Beelink PC issues:
@pmoncho said in Beelink PC issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Beelink PC issues:
@JaredBusch said in Beelink PC issues:
@stacksofplates said in Beelink PC issues:
I've bought a couple of the micro form factor Optiplex computers (9020) and have been happy with them. You couldn't have saved too much by buying something like this I can't imagine? I think I paid $250 for the last one and it came with 8GB RAM, an i7, and a 250GB SSD.
This? Yeah, it does not compare, except price.
Wow, that can't be worth $40 new, but $240 used? What the heck?
It should be worth $40 and my guess for the higher price is economics. It was built well and keep on chugging along. It seems they are continually in demand for a basic pc that needs just a web browser or to act as a kiosk.
Yes, but you can get brand new with much more performance for that price. Why get something that is a decade old, AND used when new and new is possible? Much less flexible. And can that unit even run current Windows?
Because it keeps chugging along and fulfilling the purpose it was intended. If @stacksofplates doesn't have to do anything to it for 2-3 years other than updates and/or deal with any issues @Dashrender is having, then it could be worth the money.
It seems, based on this thread, the issues @Dashrender is having with the more powerfull/lower cost Beelinks are becoming more expensive than if he just paid $550 for a Dell Optiplex 5070 micro. I cannot be sure as only @Dashrender knows the true cost and if the Beelink's are working out better.
I like products that fulfill the purpose and require less maintenance. If that is Beelink or a new $1200 OptiPlex 5090 micro, count me in.
I guess it comes down to the old axiom, "Price is what you pay, value is what you get!"
Yeah I mean this is just running as a small server in my house for k8s. It has more than enough power for that and it runs like a champ. If it was a business I would have bought new and not thought about it, but it’s for my home dev work so it’s whatever.
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@stacksofplates said in Beelink PC issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Beelink PC issues:
@stacksofplates said in Beelink PC issues:
I've bought a couple of the micro form factor Optiplex computers (9020) and have been happy with them. You couldn't have saved too much by buying something like this I can't imagine? I think I paid $250 for the last one and it came with 8GB RAM, an i7, and a 250GB SSD.
The 9020 lists as running a Four Generation processor. That's eight generations old. That's dramatically old. Ten years, in fact. Those came out in early 2013.
Similar price for high end, brand new genuine AMD fro Beelink. The fact that it died sucks, so that's a real issue. But the two aren't comparable in performance.
Maybe you have the wrong Optiplex number of Dell has the wrong info on their spec sheet? That looks like a $20 computer to me....
I went back and looked. It wasn’t a 9020 it was a 7050 but the point was, you can buy from reputable brands for very cheap.
This is what I bought https://a.co/d/gYoGzVe
6th or 7th gen, quite a bit better. Still not comparable, though. This is still at the age of the equipment that these are being purchased to replace.
If it's not comparable, it actually makes the opposite point. Only vendors like Beelink make equipment in this price range with current hardware performance.
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@stacksofplates said in Beelink PC issues:
@pmoncho said in Beelink PC issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Beelink PC issues:
@pmoncho said in Beelink PC issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Beelink PC issues:
@JaredBusch said in Beelink PC issues:
@stacksofplates said in Beelink PC issues:
I've bought a couple of the micro form factor Optiplex computers (9020) and have been happy with them. You couldn't have saved too much by buying something like this I can't imagine? I think I paid $250 for the last one and it came with 8GB RAM, an i7, and a 250GB SSD.
This? Yeah, it does not compare, except price.
Wow, that can't be worth $40 new, but $240 used? What the heck?
It should be worth $40 and my guess for the higher price is economics. It was built well and keep on chugging along. It seems they are continually in demand for a basic pc that needs just a web browser or to act as a kiosk.
Yes, but you can get brand new with much more performance for that price. Why get something that is a decade old, AND used when new and new is possible? Much less flexible. And can that unit even run current Windows?
Because it keeps chugging along and fulfilling the purpose it was intended. If @stacksofplates doesn't have to do anything to it for 2-3 years other than updates and/or deal with any issues @Dashrender is having, then it could be worth the money.
It seems, based on this thread, the issues @Dashrender is having with the more powerfull/lower cost Beelinks are becoming more expensive than if he just paid $550 for a Dell Optiplex 5070 micro. I cannot be sure as only @Dashrender knows the true cost and if the Beelink's are working out better.
I like products that fulfill the purpose and require less maintenance. If that is Beelink or a new $1200 OptiPlex 5090 micro, count me in.
I guess it comes down to the old axiom, "Price is what you pay, value is what you get!"
Yeah I mean this is just running as a small server in my house for k8s. It has more than enough power for that and it runs like a champ. If it was a business I would have bought new and not thought about it, but it’s for my home dev work so it’s whatever.
For sure, nothing wrong with older gear. Often gear that is "fast enough" for the use case is the best option. Faster isn't always better. Especially if it isn't used as an active desktop.
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@pmoncho said in Beelink PC issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Beelink PC issues:
@pmoncho said in Beelink PC issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Beelink PC issues:
@JaredBusch said in Beelink PC issues:
@stacksofplates said in Beelink PC issues:
I've bought a couple of the micro form factor Optiplex computers (9020) and have been happy with them. You couldn't have saved too much by buying something like this I can't imagine? I think I paid $250 for the last one and it came with 8GB RAM, an i7, and a 250GB SSD.
This? Yeah, it does not compare, except price.
Wow, that can't be worth $40 new, but $240 used? What the heck?
It should be worth $40 and my guess for the higher price is economics. It was built well and keep on chugging along. It seems they are continually in demand for a basic pc that needs just a web browser or to act as a kiosk.
Yes, but you can get brand new with much more performance for that price. Why get something that is a decade old, AND used when new and new is possible? Much less flexible. And can that unit even run current Windows?
Because it keeps chugging along and fulfilling the purpose it was intended. If @stacksofplates doesn't have to do anything to it for 2-3 years other than updates and/or deal with any issues @Dashrender is having, then it could be worth the money.
It seems, based on this thread, the issues @Dashrender is having with the more powerfull/lower cost Beelinks are becoming more expensive than if he just paid $550 for a Dell Optiplex 5070 micro. I cannot be sure as only @Dashrender knows the true cost and if the Beelink's are working out better.
I like products that fulfill the purpose and require less maintenance. If that is Beelink or a new $1200 OptiPlex 5090 micro, count me in.
I guess it comes down to the old axiom, "Price is what you pay, value is what you get!"
Gotta remember that we've all had Dell, HP and others be dead on arrival, too. Even in large batches. Anyone remember all those Dell laptops with bad capacitors that they shipped out? I ran the teams that had to go to client sites to replace them (I ran Dell support organizations.) The difference, for sure, was with Dell the customers had purchased long, extensive warranties and everything was on Dell to replace (and they did, normally.)
But you really have to compare bigger scope. That this is his first try with Beelink is concerning, for sure. It's not a good sign. And only a 30 day "warranty" is worrisome, too. It's good for me, because we often ship to places where warranties aren't honored anyway so paying for one is a loss.
But every vendor has issues, from time to time. So you have to be careful with extrapolating a lot of decision from a single datum.
